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thegrunt — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:37 -0000

Oh yeah, your so right tallport.

"The Professional Air Traffic Controllers Organization or PATCO was a labor union that once represented air traffic controllers in the United States in matters relating to wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment."

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tallport — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:55:49 -0000

Again, This is a often a MAJOR difference between public and private sector unions in that puiblic sector (Government) labor unions cannot normally negotiate wages. That is very important to this issue. And public sector unions very often have "exclusive recognition" to bargain, which is another important fact often overlooked. That is the case the Federal government. AFGE is the biggest union in the Federal Govt. Amendments 47, 49 and 59 pose a threat to middle class families and public safety because they will hurt first responders. Your "free choice" position is a sham argument. This about empowering employees vs taking away their workplace rights. I think we have belabored this for the time being.

And yes, thanks, I am doing my best with the inmates and I can do my job much better with a contract and job security.

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thegrunt — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 04:37:10 -0000

tallport, time for you to go back to getting the felons off drugs.

"They have security clauses, but that is a separate issue." School me here Tim how is Governor Ritter's Right-to-Work policy -- no state worker will be forced to pay even an agency fee as a condition of employment -- any different then Amendment 47?

I say YES on 47.

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

tallport — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:25:38 -0000

Again, don't let any facts get in the way grunt. Public sector unions are normally "open shop". They have security clauses, but that is a separate issue. In the private sector where wages and health benefits are negotiable, that is a whole another animal. If people choose not to join, fine, but they should not be covered under our contracts - But that is simply unworkable, so fair share fees are commonplace. And if you do not pretend to be an employee advocate, I will not pretend to a supporter of the Petroleum club.

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thegrunt — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:14:09 -0000

No one can deny that Gov Ritter gave state workers the Right-to-Work @4p on November 2, 2007.

State policy is that no worker will lose their job if they choose to NOT join the union, pay union dues or pay agency fees. I always say, should all Coloradans have equal rights to real employee free choice.

So, if I follow your logic tallport, etc ... Governor Ritter is a Union busting hack. What is it tport ... hack or brother?

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tallport — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:43:44 -0000

"Anti-family and anti-Colorado", ....Give it a rest grunt. Your comments echo descriptions, from "Martin Jay Levitt's book", " Confessions of a Union Buster". You comments are just attacks and outright lies.

"Union busting is a field populated by bullies and built on deceit. A campaign against a Union is an assault on individuals and a war on the truth. As such, it is a war without honor. The only way to bust a Union is to lie, distort, manipulate, threaten, and always, always attack. The enemy was the collective spirit. I got hold of that spirit while it was still a seedling; I poisoned it, choked it, bludgeoned it if I had to, anything to be sure it would never blossom into a united workforce...."

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thegrunt — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:30:32 -0000

wow your paid by big unions to promote their anti familiy and anti colorado messages. blogging here at 330a for my health and political peanuts(not)

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thegrunt — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:25:25 -0000

no one can deny the the gov gave state employees the Right to work.

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tallport — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 20:32:21 -0000

Amendment 47, Initiative 53, Initiative 59, not only attack working families, but public safety agencies in the entire state. Vote NO, on all three, protect our the economy and the first responders to emergencies. See http://www.protectcoloradosfuture.org/, for more information.

Grunt (Jack) sure sounds like a paid shill for an out of state front group.

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vanzetti — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:52:26 -0000

Its about time Protect Colorado's Future and the UFCW submitted their signatures. While the anti-family Amendment 47 might lose on its own demerits, but it will certainly help to have these other amendments to distract the resources and efforts of the business community. That being said, the white collar crime and just cause bills are good ideas and should be supported by everyone.

Proponents of Prop 47, the work for less amendment, should be more worried about their right not to be fired willy-nilly than whether they have to pay a few bucks to the union for representing them. But alas, they do not, since they are more worried about fattening the wallets of business owners and corporations than truly protecting the well-being of hard-working families.

Oh, and the grunt posts on RMN and the Post as jack a, and copies and pastes the same comments there as he does here, unless he/she is going on some weird rant regarding who Erin has in bed with her when she is writing her entries.

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erinrosa — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:50:14 -0000

Concerned? I'm not sure I'm following you thegrunt, but I can assure you that I have no idea who thewire is and I was happily alone when I wrote this story.

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thegrunt — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:02:57 -0000

Erin was thewire sitting next to you at the coffee shop or in bed with you or does thewire let you use her/his login?

thewire and thewire 2 posts 2 minutes apart, 1 post answering the other as if anther person.

Erin aren't you concerned about this posting?

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thegrunt — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 09:58:34 -0000

Colorado state employees have this very same right-to-work; it was given to them by the governor when he brought in the union partners.

I guess I just don't understand. Either the governor screwed the unions ("bind and effectively dismantling them") or he didn't which is it?

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thewire — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:53:13 -0000

P.S. Thank you, Erin, for calling it like it is. This amendment is not about employee choice, it's about putting unions in a bind and effectively dismantling them:

"Amendment 47, a proposal that has been approved for the ballot and would make it illegal for labor unions to negotiate agreements to collect dues or agency fees from nonmember employees who receive union-negotiated benefits in the workplace."

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thewire — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:51:27 -0000

What do you mean where is the Just Cause initiative? She said in the story:

"The group is also planning to turn in signatures on Thursday for another initiative that would require employers to provide just cause for firing certain employees."

That sounds pretty much like Just Cause to me....

Re: The Colorado Independent » Colorado pro-labor groups to submit ballot petitions

thegrunt — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:31:40 -0000

Where is PCF's "Just Cause" initiative? Why won't they file that? They never collected signatures for it, that's how much they believe in their 'causes'.

Oh come on girls lets have someone post the ballot language of this corp fraud initiative so we can all review its merits.

YES on 47 AFFIRMS YOU CAN