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Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

mamased — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:10:48 -0000

Define Hate Speech Is anything that points out the flaws in your beliefs hate? Look, if you are a Christian you DO worship a God that was tortured to death, the icons in your church are full of violent imagery. Your God lives in the sky, and refuses to communicate directly (unless he whispers silently in only your ear) until the end of the world. Which you celebrate and pray will come soon.

I know, it's not particularly pleasant to look at your beliefs from another perspective, but those of us out here that have taken a good hard look at the dominant religions of the world and decided we simply don't buy the dogma have a right to speak out boldly.

We don't hate you and pointing out the flaws in your belief systems may actually help this world stop killing and bind us together in loving our unique position on this fragile planet.

We can fight over make-believe or we can recognize that all the evidence points to the fact that we are all we have. This planet is all that we have. This life is all that we have.

I want simply that we wake up, stop killing and start protecting the planet we live on. The best way to do that is to give up on ancient myths that encourage slaughter and waste and start living for each other NOW.

If you think that's hateful, maybe you should lay off the KOOL-AID

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

broruss — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 03:07:27 -0000

Tearing down Christianity Truthteller, there is a reason that some of us folks may sound bitter. We have listened to your "oh us poor Christians, we're a persecuted minority" BS for decades now. We have listened as your leaders blamed 9-11 on gays and lesbians (Falwell), openly called for the assassination of foreign leaders (Robertson), lied and mislead school boards in an effort to replace science with creation myths, and consistently covered up and/or downplayed your own church scandals which have hurt children and exploited the poor and elderly. We have watched you elected a born-again president who has systematically bankrupted the nation and sent thousands to be killed and maimed in an illegal war. Now it's time for you to face the music. Let the Christian-bashing continue. You deserve it.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Nat Turner — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:36:45 -0000

Amen

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Nat Turner — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 01:30:25 -0000

Christians can go to hell. If there is one. Christians ARE mentally ill. They choose to believe in a fairy tale.

If a grown man said he believed in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy you would say he was crazy. Why is it not insane to believe the obvious fictions in Christianity?

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:55:57 -0000

Can't you do any better then the childish personal attack and namecalling?

No, I suppose not.

Ah, well.

And where you came up with that nonsense about me being female, I have no idea, but you're WAAYYY off the mark. But don't let yourself be confused with any actual facts. I can see you're far too lost in your fantasy. Have a nice day.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:53:10 -0000

And your guess would be wrong but don't let me confuse you with any facts, since your mind is made up.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:52:21 -0000

You want to debate the semantics of what "hate speech" is and isn't?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Next you'll be arguing over what the definition of "is" is.......

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:51:14 -0000

More hatred and bashing :yawn: I confess, it begins to be boring, it's so predictable.

And anyone who engages in such IS a coward and a barbarian. Sorry to have to be the one to tell you that. So before you come to these discussions with all that bias and blindess, perhaps you should open your eyes and look in a mirror.

(P.S. I never claimed to be a Christian, or Xtian, if you prefer your own attempt to disparage through childishness. Let us know when you've grown up enough to have an adult discussion, eh?)

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:47:42 -0000

And when you can show me "Calling all homosexuals.... ...any of those things, you can rightfully accuse me of bashing that particular group. Sorry to pop the bubble of your delusions, but you won't find any of that from me. But you WILL find me pointing it out when you or others engage in hate speech against anyone. Don't like it? Tough.

So you're not sure what church I belong to (in fact, I don't), but you accuse me or my fellow religionists (of which there aren't any, but telling that little fable doesn't seem to bother you) of making "numerous statements....." Hmm. Maybe you ought to actually CHECK YOUR FACTS before you make accusations? Or is that too much to ask? No doubt, easier to simply engage in mindless hateful false accusations. Well, let us know if that works out for you in the long run.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

terra — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:43:50 -0000

Hate? I guess it's ok to bash gays though? why is it that Christians are so sensitive to their religion being bashed but are brain dead about them bashing other's lives.

Why is it always bashing Christianity when its just some of the Christains that are being bashed?

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Truthteller — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:42:56 -0000

Hmmmm. Let's recap. Let's see...."ilk,"......."bash your enemy of the day".........."whine and moan"......"their own dispicable behavior".........etc.

Yep, pure hate speech. Not surprising, but not very original, either.

Keep it up. Your own words are showing just how much of a hater you are.

(P.S. I never claimed to be Christian. But you don't have to be one to recognize when someone hates them.)

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Albatross — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:57:44 -0000

Politics? Sorry. I really thought it was about hypocrisy. I think Haggard should consider himself "blessed." After all, the $138,000 severance pay he received was ultimately from the church members that this b**tard deceived over and over. Do you suppose there would be a "mean-spirited political war" had Haggard lived by the words (most of them vile) he preached, or was he above it all, somehow?

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

freethoughtpedia.com — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 19:15:37 -0000

politics This isn't about Haggard being gay or straight. This is about the pastor of his church wanting to keep Haggard from competing with him. It's politics, and typical mean-spirited politics.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

triptide — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:37:22 -0000

I'm sure the extra prayer will do the trick. Sometimes it takes over 10,000 people praying at the same time for heterosexuality to be restored.

A hundred, or a thousand people, is just not good enough.

Those prayers are heard louder, and can scare away the same sex lust-devil that lodges himself inside we Christians sometimes.

I know that Haggard will pull out of this, and Jesus will once again come into him fully.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

damilgin — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:58:58 -0000

Christianity "Christianity is the greatest perversion that has ever shown on man." Thomas Jefferson, US President.

Christianity is full of hypocrisy. Ted Haggard is a perfect example. I find it interesting that Texas, and other States write discrimination in to the state constitution, to ban gay people to marry.

If marriage is such a "sacred union" between a man and a woman, then why hasn't divorced been banned?

I was brought up a Christian, but as I matured, I saw it for what it is - the most intolerant, judgmental, hate filled religion. Christians may say they love everyone, but their actions speak differently.

All religions are the cause of wars, killing, and discrimination. Peace will not come to the world until religion is eliminated.

RELIGION KILLS FOLKS DEAD!!!

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

MonoApe — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:23:15 -0000

Confused "I'm a Christian. I'm not religious, ..."

If you're the first, you're the second. Check out a dictionary if you're tempted to argue.

"My bible also says that we all sin."

Not me, buddy. Your bible is a collection of plagiarised Bronze Age, camp fire stories. It's filled with all the nonsense you'd expect given that it was written by men who didn't have a clue about how the world around them worked.

Also, every miracle attributed to the fictitious character of Jesus was reported in earlier religions and superstitions. Every one of them.

'Sin' is a construct that requires a deity to exist. There are no deities, therefore no sin.

Also, to follow the Golden Rule requires no belief in Sky Fairies.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

mchesiod — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:57:24 -0000

remember They don't want us to get married...or else the game would be over, they would be no way to radically justify the parolee who get's state sanctioned redemption, they're would be no way to fulfill the game...myself, I live for "sex in space" may you one day have "sex in space"...I'm just glad that my mother and father will get away...and god grant that one day there be "sex in space" anon

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

mchesiod — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:51:02 -0000

be real... Quite confining yourself by playing by somebody else's science reality thing, never but yes no maybe... Com'on quite making excuses and being reactionary...the word is Gay...gay people and gayness...gay ...gay...gay...and we go to church, we love when we can we play...we know that "these two" fight amongst themselves like convicts in the penitentiary...but sooner or later you find out the truth is that everybody knows that "these two" are on the same side of the gavel...Peace and gayness to all of you and one to another...amen

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

mchesiod — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:42:18 -0000

concerned No, not at all...he was just set up by some preying young guy who loves going around and making fun of unsuspecting well intentioned guys...for whatever perverse reason the real abuser had in mind...religion in that part of the state is a real battleground...that is the center of the Family values campaign...in the word's of Ted Nugent "you can yank me, you can crank me, but don't you dare wake up and thank me..."

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

mchesiod — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:37:59 -0000

epistomology? Don't say that...they'll make fun of like you never had clue...

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

JebusHCrust — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:32:19 -0000

Just for clarification A) Truthteller (an ironic name if ever there was one),is not a guy..it claims to be female. If you ask it about why it became a fanatical xtian it will give you the whole rundown on how it was molested as a child, and found salvation and peace in Jebus. A pathetic story, and a pathetic excuse for a human being.

B) She/it, has been pretty much banned from every Buzzen.com religion chat room as a disruptive troll who rejects debate but never tires of her fire and brimstone idiocy.

C) Ted Hag deserves no sympathy. A liar, a hypocrite, and intolerant jerk, he is the quintessential example of Christianity as a whole, and evagelical extremism in particular. His wife is as far gone as he is in that regard, and likely has known about his hidden gay lifestyle for years. Lets save our tears and sympathy for people who endure discrimination promulgated by mindless phoneys like Haggard.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Brianie — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 12:25:56 -0000

Good luck man... You know what? Whatever you think of his past, at least he's trying to move on and deal with his "condition" which he's been programmed his whole life to consider wrong.

I saw him in the Dawkins show The Root of all Evil, disliked him immensely. I rejoiced when the meth story broke, but I really do wish the poor misguided fvcker well...

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

Jasper von Schnitzelwasse — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:49:15 -0000

(raspberry noise) I suspect Ted has passed some of his time pole-smoking, and another scandal's a-brewing.

You know how Christians say that gay people wave it in their face, recruit children, want to take over the country and want special rights?

Turns out those are just-self-deceptions Christians require that allow them to pretend they aren't waving their Christianity in people's faces, recruiting children, trying to take over the country and demanding special rights.

I know only so many decent Chrsitians that I can count on one hand. One of them is a close friend. I've rejected most of the others after a lifetime of actual encounters with them; in which greater than 99 percent of them prove to be assinine, arrogant, grating, sanctimonious people whom God wouldn't even want to spend five minutes with.

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

ToTellTheTruth — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:29:56 -0000

Does it sound familiar, Truthteller??? One wonders how you can have a life so obviously full of bile and bitterness.

And isn't it odd how any discussion of "Gay" or "Homosexuality" these days brings the Christian-Gay-bashers out of the woodwork? You have to wonder just what it is they're so afraid of that they have to try and tear down anyone that doesn't share their particular interpretation of the scriptures any way they can.

(I love too, how the so called Christians swarm to stories about "gays", so excited just to read anything they can find related to the subject....some of you wouldn't secretly be getting some little tickle, you know......down there....would you???? Trust me, the Ted Haggard situation is NOT rare or unusual!)

Re: Ted Haggard Quits New Life ‘Restoration Team’

RadioResearch — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:46:52 -0000

Not all christians are christians Thank you Shoup for your observations. When jesus says that there are but two commandments, love god, and love one another, he means that we must do so in am unconditional manner for one cannot love god without loving god unconditionally. Likewise, one cannot love god unconditionally if one does not love one's fellow human being unconditionally.

Unconditional love has no room for prejudice, hatred, dicrimination, or moral judgement and that includes homosexuality. Jesus' teachings do not discriminate in the manner of the old testament from which the so-called christians take this admonition on homosexuality. Indeed, even paul said that Jesus frees us from the law, i.e, the Torah and thus frees us from all of that old testament crap, be it the dietary laws or the laws against homosexuality (remember, the Torah says that eating shellfish is also an abomination which puts clam chowder ingestion on the same level as homosexuality).

Also, the great Jewish Kabbalist Maimonides said some 800 years ago that should science or fact contradict the torah we should go with the fact and interpret the passge in the Torah as metaphorical. Since it appears that homosexuality is genetic and nuerochemical this "fact" would therfore apply.

The problem for most Christians is that they are abysmally ignorant of their own faith and thus engage in frequent hypocricy - unwittingly of course because they are too lazy and too propagandized to do some biblical scholarship and thus get their head out of their anus.