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Truthteller — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:57:30 -0000

Warming. Uh huh. As straws in the wind, note that it snowed in Baghdad in January, for the first time in a century. There is still snow in the Australian Alps at midsummer, never before seen. The extent of the Antarctic sea-ice last austral winter exceeded all records. These are of course mere anecdotal evidence, not to be taken seriously.

However, the four major organizations that track the global average temperature have now released their results for 2007. They are the Hadley Centre in the UK (Hadley), the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), Remote Sensing Systems, Inc., in Santa Rosa, CA, (RSS) and the Christy group at the University of Alabama at Huntsville (UAH). The first three have been alarmed about GW for years, while the UAH group (which uses satellite MSU measurements) has tended to be skeptical.

All four of these studies report an astonishing drop in global temperature during 2007, between 0.59 and 0.75 degrees C. You can see graphs of their data at

http://wattsupwithth...

02/19/january-2008-4-

sources-say-globally-cooler-in-the-past-12-months/ .

This is by far the fastest change in global temperature on record. It is probably just a blip - but if the climate stabilizes at this level, it will have wiped out all the increase since 1920, and the whole GW thing will have gone away. Moreover, if 2008 shows another decrease of this magnitude, we will have to consider seriously the possibility that the 20-year transition to the next Ice Age has begun.

To paraphrase Eugene O'Neill, The Ice Age Cometh?

If this is true, the consequences are appalling. Most of North America and all of Europe north of the Alps will be under a mile of ice by 2030. This means that most of the advanced countries except Australia will cease to exist. There can be little doubt that the need to survive will trump any international norms of behavior: I would expect that Europe would invade Africa and the US would invade Mexico, accepting genocide of the indigenous populations as an unfortunate necessity, given the absolute need for lebensraum.

Perhaps we could delay or stop the transition by using nuclear explosions to release floods of methane (a much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2) from the hydrate deposits under the Arctic permafrost and on the continental shelves, and/or by mounting a major effort to reduce the albedo by shoveling dirt over northern snowfields. Unfortunately, the reputations and income of far too many influential people now depend on the existence of the GW threat, and they will resist recognizing the truth as long as possible. In any case, I don't expect politicians to have the chutzpah to act before it is too late.

Until we find out whether the present cold is transient or getting worse, the Precautionary Principle demands that we all do our duty by guzzling as much gasoline and emitting as much CO2 and CH4 as possible. Flatulence is now a patriotic duty.

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neonnurse — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 09:29:37 -0000

QED There are two choices for IDing Deniers. One set are Big Daddy God Fans. I think they are the better people because, deluded though they are, they at least have understandable psychological reasons for their avoidance of reality.

The other set are the greedy, selfish cynics who cling to any Authority's "facts" that back them up because they dread the thought of losing anything they think of as THEIRS: goods, money, social status, power and the illusion of being RIGHT.

If you are not one, you must be the other.

Oh, and by the way, when you yourself use sarcasm and name-calling from your first post on, you don't get to say later that your opponent's use of same means you win. Just FYI.

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Truthteller — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:18:07 -0000

Have fun following your new religion of global warming Hope it works out for you.

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Truthteller — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:16:46 -0000

Have a nice day This problem of confusing one's beliefs with reality is the mark of this age, and you are not the only one afflicted with it. Good day, sir.

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WeatherDem — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:52:44 -0000

Indeed "Truthteller's" motivation is to pick fights, spread disinformation, play the victim and grab as much attention as possible. Nothing will ever convince this person of anything related to science-based climate change.

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johne — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:36:52 -0000

at this point It's clear that no matter how many holes we point point out in truthteller's "truths" he will just keep on keeping on. He's no longer worth my time and I think anyone reading through these comments can see that. He ignores data we point out. Responses that don't contain data but still show him for what he is are attacked as to their lack of data. Any sources he doesn't like are called dubious despite no evidence ever as to any fallacy in MediaMatters findings.

He's won simply because it's no longer worth my time to respond. I'm sure he'll have plenty to say to this but it will only echo in the blank space of those that care.

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WeatherDem — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:30:50 -0000

Your use of alarmists and extremists are based off of your subjective evaluation. There's nothing factual about that.

But keep playing the victim, please. Starting off a conversation throwing around insults and then complaining about the same behavior from other people does so much to advance your argument. If "extremists" works for you, "denyers" works for me. Thanks for the permission.

It would be nice if you structured those arguments from a single standpoint. Either the data are limited or they are not. Denyers typically want to extend data sets only to the point that they think it helps their argument. Anything else is off-limits.

Who are you to question my religion, indeed. Despite not being a factor in the scientific basis of the subject at hand, it's incredibly rude.

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WeatherDem — Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:22:26 -0000

I'm sure. n/t