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jiangyan xu — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:19:51 -0000

If a man empties his purse into his head , no man can take it away from him , coach outlet an investment in knowledge always pays the best interest .

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Klem — Wed, 02 Mar 2011 04:34:58 -0000

The only thing this country does is jailing its own people based on whatever thing they dislike
Why are MEN discussing women issues?
Where are the female reprensentatives in all this, why don't they just hit the streets and grab this f***er by the balls?
Why this obession with punishing rather then preventing?

The rampant bigotry and middle ages-based gender rethoric of this country is baffling...

Why does "protect life act" pushes for banning abortion yet does not seem to mind going to war and being pro death penalty....

Does he realize that creminalizing "pre-natal murder" is as insane as wanting to legalize "post natal abortion"

Please ,GOPer, with "ideas" like this, please stop calling yourselves "civilized", and no, this country is not "Land of the free"

at all

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JCBlakeney — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:29:09 -0000

You fail to address the key point of my pro-life stance, the personhood of the unborn. I have no interest directly in 'controlling' any part of your body. What I care about is that, when pregnant, a woman has the incredible responsibility of carrying another human inside of her. That human being is just as dependent on their mother while in the womb as they are in the first few years of their life. (I.e. A baby or toddler can't feed or take care of themselves any better than a child in gestation.) Your position is selfish and inconsiderate of another person's right to life.

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Angela — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:53:40 -0000

The Pro-Life movement was started by men and is run by men. And quite frankly my uterus and my ova are my property. I own them lock, stock, and barrel and I am getting sick and tired of people thinking they have any business telling me what I can do with my uterus. Control your wife's and leave the rest of us alone. My rights will always trump my ova.

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Angela — Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:48:48 -0000

Methinks that it's becoming a crime to be a woman. At the same time this is being voted on, you have people trying to outlaw abortion and contraception. If these people have their way it will be impossible for women not to be pregnant and you'll be watched by the state if you blow your nose wrong. These people give me the creeps.

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oil painting — Sat, 16 Oct 2010 02:47:11 -0000

“We are talking about embryos in the one cell stage … What happens when a liquid nitrogen tank, which keeps embryos frozen in storage, is damaged? It happened during an earthquake in California. Concrete fell on a tank and all of the embryos were destroyed. Is there criminal liability there?” yeah.

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oil painting — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:15:07 -0000

thank you for sharing,so cool.

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oil painting — Fri, 08 Oct 2010 11:12:25 -0000

Oh,no.i love my baby.he is my Anger

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all_u_need_is_love — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:27:42 -0000

it is not SEPARATE from it's mother. It needs her to survive. It is like a parasite, robbing her body of its nutrients in order to ensure its own survival. That's why so many women become anemic during pregnancy, or require a daily multivitamin, to keep her healthy while the parasite feeds off of her.

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all_u_need_is_love — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:17:23 -0000

[quote]missyrae:"If women and men would stop using abortion as birth control, I think that would be a great improvement. People try to argue that abortion is used for rape and incest cases, but that is less than 3 percent (as of 2008). "[/quote]
* I THINK THE PROBLEM IS: that many women, myself included, have a problem with taking oral contraception every day. It messes with our menstrual cycles, makes us nauseous, makes us break out in acne, gain unwanted weight, and those are just the simple unwanted side effects. Let's not forgot the RISKS OF BLOOD CLOTS & HEART ATTACK.
Therefor many of us do not take "the pill". Some men, as sexual partners are very disciplined and have no problem wearing a condom. Some men do not, will not wear them, they complain they don't like how they feel, or that they can't feel anyting at all and then you're playing the Russian Roulette game of The Pull Out method.
I once became pregnant even though we stopped having intercourse before he ejaculated. It's not that we finished the sexual act and just sat back and waited to see what would happen.

IF THERE WERE BIRTH CONTROL FOR MEN; something that was effective in temporarily haulting the production of Semen until the man is ready to start a family, ~ there wouldn't be so many abortions every year~. A Birth controll pill for Men was developed a few years ago, it was used on a trial group of Men for a short period of time. They reported feeling naseous, fatigued, and a couple other side effects that WOMEN are expected to endure - and it was never released to the mass markets.

[quote]missyrae:"Do women keep a spare penis around full of semen and inject it into themselves to get pregnant? No! A man is involved."[/quote]

Women do not climb on top of themselves and get pregnant. Men should be JUST AS RESPONSIBLE for preventing unwanted pregnancies. But no, you guys can't be inconvenienced or sacrifice your own pleasure

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all_u_need_is_love — Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:14:10 -0000

"If women and men would stop using abortion as birth control, I think that would be a great improvement. People try to argue that abortion is used for rape and incest cases, but that is less than 3 percent (as of 2008). "
* I THINK THE PROBLEM IS: that many women, myself included, have a problem with taking oral contraception every day. It messes with our menstrual cycles, makes us nauseous, makes us break out in acne, gain unwanted weight, and those are just the simple unwanted side effects. Let's not forgot the RISKS OF BLOOD CLOTS & HEART ATTACK.
Therefor many of us do not take "the pill". Some men, as sexual partners are very disciplined and have no problem wearing a condom. Some men do not, will not wear them, they complain they don't like how they feel, or that they can't feel anyting at all and then you're playing the Russian Roulette game of The Pull Out method.
I once became pregnant even though we stopped having intercourse before he ejaculated. It's not that we finished the sexual act and just sat back and waited to see what would happen.
IF THERE WERE BIRTH CONTROL FOR MEN, something that was effective in temporarily haulting the production of Semen until the man is ready to start a family, ~ there wouldn't be so many abortions every year~. A Birth controll pill for Men was developed a few years ago, it was used on a trial group of Men for a short period of time. They reported feeling naseous, fatigued, and a couple other side effects that WOMEN are expected to endure - and it was never released to the mass markets.
>" Do women keep a spare penis around full of semen and inject it into themselves to get pregnant? No! A man is involved."

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ProChoiceChristian — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:09:06 -0000

All of us who support abortion should come together and pray to Jesus Christ to keep abortion legal so we no longer have to live in bondage of unborn babies nor the oppressions they put on our lives since there are those of us who do support abortion, that is the only way we can win this anti-abortion battle, also even if the law does come to pass we can still pray to have a misscarriage or a still birth and our prayers will be answered so our unborn child will go back to him or to someone who wants them, or to us later on in life when we want them

By the blood of Jesus Christ we are free from all bondages, oppressions, and slavery, I am a pro-choice christian and I encourage for us all to come together and pray, not just for us, but for the whole entire world where our freedoms are being taken away

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ProChoiceChristian — Mon, 05 Apr 2010 18:07:43 -0000

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missyrae — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:51:25 -0000

Okay, Katie. Let's change your little hypothetical situation. Your house is burning down. Your daughter's upstairs, and three neighbor kids are downstairs. Who are you gonna save? That's an irrelevant analogy...you would save your own daughter. Is it murder if you save your kid and don't have time to save the other kids? I don't think so. I don't think I would go to jail if I saved my kid and didn't have time to save the others, and they consequently died.
It's not just the women who are involved in conception. Why do people ignore the fact that men have a part in this? Why is all about women's rights? Do women keep a spare penis around full of semen and inject it into themselves to get pregnant? No! A man is involved.
The end result? Confinement camps? Come on, Katie. Get real!
If women and men would stop using abortion as birth control, I think that would be a great improvement. People try to argue that abortion is used for rape and incest cases, but that is less than 3 percent (as of 2008). Clearly, you are not one of those people, but I thought I'd point that out for anyone else reading.
So nice try at posting your "tough" questions, but FAIL!

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JCBlakeney — Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:51:34 -0000

You're still putting words in my mouth. When a woman becomes pregnant, I'm not insinuating that her rights should end, I'm arguing that the rights of another human being have come into effect. That unborn person (biologically proven) has rights inalienable. At that time, you may do many things to your body that noone can stop you from. But, ending that child's life is just that- ending a life
I am fully aware that too many 'men' are not actually men, if you follow me. I am fully in support of harsher penalties on derelict 'fathers', and am active in the lives of youth in my community, frequently coming in contact with young guys who need counseling in that area. Where's the call? I'm making it and noone's saying you shouldn't either- please do. Its a needed call, and an essential one to tackle the overall problem of a loss of personal responsibility amongst Americans.

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heyyou12003 — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:19:06 -0000

Yea it does. In your example, your choice is dictated by who's closest, easiest to save, etc, then hope that the firefighters can save the rest. You did your best and that's all anyone asked. In my example, you're making a choice as to who you WANT to save, not out of practicality seeing as they're both equally save-able. Would you feel as morally torn in your situation as your would mine? How would your children feel knowing you cared more for (or even equal to) some frozen embryos than u did about them?

And when you say that a woman's rights end when she becomes pregnant and her fetus's rights take over, then you ARE saying the fetus's rights are superior. That's what "take over" means, to be in charge of, have more power than. Why should my rights as a woman and a human being end just because I got pregnant? Sure pregnancy isn't the fetus's fault, but it's only 1/2 the woman's fault (sometimes not even if she was raped). Where's the call for men to stand up and take any responsibility for their offspring?

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JCBlakeney — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:36:45 -0000

You can call it what you want, but its science. My sperm has my DNA; your eggs have your DNA. Put them together and we've got new DNA that is completely independent of both of us. What is an organism with human DNA? A human, of course!
The only differences between an unborn child (zygote or embryo) are appearance, location, level of dependence and stage of development. We don't discriminate against a born person based on any of these descriptions. The only way its gotten away with on unborn humans is 'out of sight, out of mind'. You can't defend abortion or other embryo destruction using scientific or medical facts, only emotions and opinions.
Noone is trying to give the unborn MORE rights than mothers, simply equal rights. Sure, you've got rights to your body, but that person is a person- not part of your body.
Please don't use the "you're a man" argument, either. My wife's just as pro-life and I am, and most leaders in the pro-life movement are women.

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JCBlakeney — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:32:11 -0000

First, we're saying equal rights, not superior rights. Your rights end where another's begin. Sure, right to your body, but we're talking about the body of the unborn child. The bottom line is that the pregnancy isn't the child's fault, no matter whose it is.
This is an irrelevant situation you've concocted. Let's say I'm running an orphanage with 200 children. I can only save several children myself and the others die in this fire. Am I a murderer? No, I'm not. If I started the fire, sure, but your 'example' makes no sense.

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annietaylor — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:27:41 -0000

What do you mean, "some" Jews? That is as much a part of the Jewish faith as "Jesus died for our sins" is part of the Christian faith. Again, the issue you cite, re: children, concerns human beings that have already been born. And, again, you are saying that a zygote inside of me has more rights than I do. And again, Bull. And if abortion were a sacrament, the race wouldn't survive long...I ask you to respond to the initial statement that if government has a right to make these decisions for women, usurping their power over their own body, then what can possibly prevent them from making laws in the other direction: like forcing women to have abortions if the circumstances were conducive to it. The way it is now, I can't force anyone to have an abortion based on what might be good for the environment or whatever, but the trade-off is, you can't force me to carry a child to term if I determine that it is not in my best interests.

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annietaylor — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:25:46 -0000

Now that is just ridiculous. You cannot compare some zygote in my belly with beating a living, breathing person. Your view implies that the zygote in my belly has more rights than I do. Bull. I could turn it around and say masturbation should be outlawed because it wastes sperm that could become viable.

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heyyou12003 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:42:10 -0000

Hypothetical situation: In your basement you have a freezer with 10 fertilized embryos, which can possibly be implanted into a woman's uterus to develop. Upstairs is your sleeping 3 year old child. You're on the ground floor and your house sets on fire. You only have time to save either the embryos or the 3 year old, but not both. Who do you save? What if it were 100 embryos? 1000?

To everyone who thinks an embryo has as much right to life as a breathing human being, then I'm calling you a murderer if you're not willing to let your child die over even 2 embryos. Stop trying to oppress women's rights for the sake of something not even born. What's the end result? Confinement camps for all pregnant women to make sure they behave? I'm not trying to say an embryo has no rights whatsoever, but to say it has more rights than a mature woman is saying that women are merely machines to pop out babies and nothing more. By giving embryos personhood, you're taking away the personhood of every single woman.

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JCBlakeney — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:13:02 -0000

I have a religious belief that includes raping the elderly and beating elected officials with huge, dead fish. Respect that.

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JCBlakeney — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:11:39 -0000

Folks, cellular biology and sound medical science tell us that the difference between and unborn child and a born child are no different than an infant and a fit 20-year-old. The Personhood movement seeks to have that recognized legally and protect some of the most vulnerable members of our society.
If I become disinterested in my three-year-old, can I shoot him?
If I get drunk and my son wanders into the street and is hit by a car, isn't that neglect?
If I attempt to commit suicide and the bullet flies through me, into my child, killing him, yet I survive, won't I be charged with manslaughter, at least.
By allowing abortion to be legal in ANY case, except the life of the mother, we say that there are members of our society that are far less valuable than others.

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grandma55 — Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:09:48 -0000

Karela, I absolutely agree with you. I'm glad I no longer live in CO. This is very scarey .