DISQUS

karela · 1 month ago

The state needs to stay out of bedrooms and out of a person's body. It is ironic to me that we have to watch people screaming about their freedoms every day of the week and that those same people are so anxious to take over other people's lives. If this law was about prosecuting men for abusing their sperm by leaving it laying around everywhere, we wouldn't be discussing this. A pregnant woman is a real person. She isn't just a machine that is being used to produce new people. The state has no business imposing itself. If it becomes a crime to be pregnant, who will have the babies, my friends?

grandma55 · 1 month ago

Karela, I absolutely agree with you. I'm glad I no longer live in CO. This is very scarey .

Idilijai · 1 month ago

“Once you have defined a fetus as a separate person from the mother, the state has the power to literally take custody of a pregnant woman from the moment she conceives.”

Absurd statement! Only disingenuous people make assumptions like this one. The amendment is intended to protect the rights of both the mother and the child.

annietaylor · 1 month ago

Just remember that there are religious issues here. Judaism believes that a human does not become human until it takes its first breath. It would be unconstitutional to pass laws that infringe upon or negate ones religious beliefs. And before you get on your high horse, if you were to have your way & law is allowed to be usurped by religious beliefs, then what are you going to do when the pendulum swings the other way and someone wants to tell you that woman have to wear a Burka, or can be stone for "infidelity" if they are gang raped by strangers? Be careful what you wish for. I know its hard for some, but try to think beyond the nose on your face.

williamwilberforce · 1 month ago

So what, if some Jews believe that you are not a human being until you are breathing. Some sects believe you cannot accept blood transfusions, and the government rightly provides the children with treatment if necessary to sve their life. The only religious issue is the liberal sacrament of abortion.

annietaylor · 1 month ago

What do you mean, "some" Jews? That is as much a part of the Jewish faith as "Jesus died for our sins" is part of the Christian faith. Again, the issue you cite, re: children, concerns human beings that have already been born. And, again, you are saying that a zygote inside of me has more rights than I do. And again, Bull. And if abortion were a sacrament, the race wouldn't survive long...I ask you to respond to the initial statement that if government has a right to make these decisions for women, usurping their power over their own body, then what can possibly prevent them from making laws in the other direction: like forcing women to have abortions if the circumstances were conducive to it. The way it is now, I can't force anyone to have an abortion based on what might be good for the environment or whatever, but the trade-off is, you can't force me to carry a child to term if I determine that it is not in my best interests.

JCBlakeney · 1 month ago

I have a religious belief that includes raping the elderly and beating elected officials with huge, dead fish. Respect that.

annietaylor · 1 month ago

Now that is just ridiculous. You cannot compare some zygote in my belly with beating a living, breathing person. Your view implies that the zygote in my belly has more rights than I do. Bull. I could turn it around and say masturbation should be outlawed because it wastes sperm that could become viable.

JCBlakeney · 1 month ago

You can call it what you want, but its science. My sperm has my DNA; your eggs have your DNA. Put them together and we've got new DNA that is completely independent of both of us. What is an organism with human DNA? A human, of course!
The only differences between an unborn child (zygote or embryo) are appearance, location, level of dependence and stage of development. We don't discriminate against a born person based on any of these descriptions. The only way its gotten away with on unborn humans is 'out of sight, out of mind'. You can't defend abortion or other embryo destruction using scientific or medical facts, only emotions and opinions.
Noone is trying to give the unborn MORE rights than mothers, simply equal rights. Sure, you've got rights to your body, but that person is a person- not part of your body.
Please don't use the "you're a man" argument, either. My wife's just as pro-life and I am, and most leaders in the pro-life movement are women.

William_Wilberforce · 1 month ago

It should be noted that Lynn Paltrow is a Planned Parenthood, NARAL, apparatchik. Her cover group, NAPW, recently did a hit piece video on Personhood USA, which upon careful scrutiny proved absolutely misleading. See both videos and judge for yourself at personhoodeducation.org

bettejohnson · 1 month ago

As a former fetus, I support the Personhood Amendment.

providencehouse · 1 month ago

As a mother of five children, I don't see why I should be convicted of murder if I choose to take them to the back yard and shoot them to help my financial situation now, if I could have taken them to an abortion clinic and had them chopped into little pieces to help my financial situation before they were born with impunity. It's just not fair. Either a mother has an inherent right to murder her children, or not.

leslieforlife · 1 month ago

“Once you have defined a fetus as a separate person from the mother, the state has the power to literally take custody of a pregnant woman from the moment she conceives.”

Huh?

A simple DNA test reveals that the pre-born baby is a unique, genetically
distinct and separate human being from his or her mother.

JCBlakeney · 1 month ago

Folks, cellular biology and sound medical science tell us that the difference between and unborn child and a born child are no different than an infant and a fit 20-year-old. The Personhood movement seeks to have that recognized legally and protect some of the most vulnerable members of our society.
If I become disinterested in my three-year-old, can I shoot him?
If I get drunk and my son wanders into the street and is hit by a car, isn't that neglect?
If I attempt to commit suicide and the bullet flies through me, into my child, killing him, yet I survive, won't I be charged with manslaughter, at least.
By allowing abortion to be legal in ANY case, except the life of the mother, we say that there are members of our society that are far less valuable than others.

katiefranklin · 1 month ago

Hypothetical situation: In your basement you have a freezer with 10 fertilized embryos, which can possibly be implanted into a woman's uterus to develop. Upstairs is your sleeping 3 year old child. You're on the ground floor and your house sets on fire. You only have time to save either the embryos or the 3 year old, but not both. Who do you save? What if it were 100 embryos? 1000?

To everyone who thinks an embryo has as much right to life as a breathing human being, then I'm calling you a murderer if you're not willing to let your child die over even 2 embryos. Stop trying to oppress women's rights for the sake of something not even born. What's the end result? Confinement camps for all pregnant women to make sure they behave? I'm not trying to say an embryo has no rights whatsoever, but to say it has more rights than a mature woman is saying that women are merely machines to pop out babies and nothing more. By giving embryos personhood, you're taking away the personhood of every single woman.

JCBlakeney · 1 month ago

First, we're saying equal rights, not superior rights. Your rights end where another's begin. Sure, right to your body, but we're talking about the body of the unborn child. The bottom line is that the pregnancy isn't the child's fault, no matter whose it is.
This is an irrelevant situation you've concocted. Let's say I'm running an orphanage with 200 children. I can only save several children myself and the others die in this fire. Am I a murderer? No, I'm not. If I started the fire, sure, but your 'example' makes no sense.

katiefranklin · 1 month ago

Yea it does. In your example, your choice is dictated by who's closest, easiest to save, etc, then hope that the firefighters can save the rest. You did your best and that's all anyone asked. In my example, you're making a choice as to who you WANT to save, not out of practicality seeing as they're both equally save-able. Would you feel as morally torn in your situation as your would mine? How would your children feel knowing you cared more for (or even equal to) some frozen embryos than u did about them?

And when you say that a woman's rights end when she becomes pregnant and her fetus's rights take over, then you ARE saying the fetus's rights are superior. That's what "take over" means, to be in charge of, have more power than. Why should my rights as a woman and a human being end just because I got pregnant? Sure pregnancy isn't the fetus's fault, but it's only 1/2 the woman's fault (sometimes not even if she was raped). Where's the call for men to stand up and take any responsibility for their offspring?

JCBlakeney · 1 month ago

You're still putting words in my mouth. When a woman becomes pregnant, I'm not insinuating that her rights should end, I'm arguing that the rights of another human being have come into effect. That unborn person (biologically proven) has rights inalienable. At that time, you may do many things to your body that noone can stop you from. But, ending that child's life is just that- ending a life
I am fully aware that too many 'men' are not actually men, if you follow me. I am fully in support of harsher penalties on derelict 'fathers', and am active in the lives of youth in my community, frequently coming in contact with young guys who need counseling in that area. Where's the call? I'm making it and noone's saying you shouldn't either- please do. Its a needed call, and an essential one to tackle the overall problem of a loss of personal responsibility amongst Americans.

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