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Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull%#*? story. Holy #%*?!”
I had like to respond to your talk by asking you some few questions:
1. If there wasn't an all knowing being (God), how could the predictions in the Bible and Quran be 100% accurate? Events that were going to occur in the future yet have been foretold thousands of years early.
2. Consider the sky above you without pillars, how come it has not fallen on you?
3. Consider LOVE; how come you love your spouses so deeply and yet you were never related?
4. Consider your food, how come has Man you have so many varieties to choose from but the animals do not have those options?
5. Do you have kids? If you do, how come your heart beats with so much joy at the sight of your baby smiles and you love your kids dearly?
The fact is there are so many things within you and other you to proof the existence of the All-Knowing, Ever Powerful God. All you need to do is reflect deeply on HIS signs around you.
God does not need your money and he does not even take it. Rather he provides for you all the treasures you see around. It is only men that milk religion for the own personal goals.
Mind you, I am not even a Christian. I am a Muslim but I will always defend my Christian fellows as regards to God.
Science only gave us a way to understand how God does His things. I think most people are myopic in the sense of believing that everything that comes from God has to be miraculous, out of the ordinary. But we have forgotten that God is the Master of Processes.
One of the ways God achieve His purpose is simply through Science. So in essence science is the vehicle through which God does fulfill His goals.
Why would a scientific person reject god right out? Look at what is beyond the universe. What happens before big bang? What caused it? Where did all these matter came from? Where is all this energy created from? Is there more then one universe? What about dimension?
You are looking at question that mankind might never be able to answer, in fact, no creature in the universe might be able to answer. We all come to this world and this universe unknowing and leave carrying a bit of mystery with us. There are simply a lot of things nobody know why, and probably nobody ever will.
Therefore, to explains science, you are going to need a little faith.
The "god" debate is then not for a scientist to wage but rather a philosopher. However, the argument that god must exist because of what happened before the big bang? what caused it? that there must be a designer for this universe, is in fact false logic, in that the same question can be applied "god" If god created the universe who created god?
I reject the belief that to explain science you need faith. To explain science you need observation and logic. Religion requires neither.
You are right, the problem is people want one or the other. God or Science. It isn't an either or, both can have their truths.
When you ignorantly state that gravity, the sky, stars, the sun moving east to west is somehow mystical and unknown is when ignornance wins. Science can answer why these things happen with simple laws and rules.
Why these laws and rules exist and how they came into being.... that is a bigger question.
We love each other because of biological directives to propagate and the need for unity to survive as a species.
I don't need to know I'll live forever in order to make my time here worthwhile. All I need is to appreciate that this is all the time I have, and as such, it's important to make it worthwhile, not only for me but those around me.
I like your thoughts...I think God and science are one..I think God is supreme intelligence and I often say that God is verb, we have socially been conditioned to think of God in human terms, but I believe that God is energy and that Energy and eneregy expressed is matter and every living thing on this planet from a blade of grass to a human being is in scientific terms energy expressed and the vibration of that energy expresses the matter. So, put your E nergy in motion...and have a little emotion with your science...science is thought and God is felt..they coexist.
Where did God come from? How did God come to be a living God? Out of what material did God make the universe, and where did God get it?
I know the platitude, He always was and always will be. It's faith!
Sorry that doesn't work for me. Please answer my questions before questioning someone else.
It's always a which came first the chicken or the egg theory.
Let's assume that there is an invisible sky-man, why should anyone believe in one version of the story over another? Why be a Muslim or Jew or Christian? Why not believe in Greek or Roman or Norse or Hindu or Native American religions and depictions of God(s)?
Personally, I am incredibly spiritual. I believe in the connectedness of all things and a unification of universal spirit and energy. But to begin putting names and faces and rules on this thing that we all feel is hypocrisy.
Seriously, isn't the whole point of God (or Allah or Zeus or Vishnu) that He is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals? If so, then isn't the very act of ascribing a name and mere human words to Him nothing more than hubris?
1. Grasshoppers have 4 legs.
2. Rabbits are ruminants.
3. You are a brilliant debater.
None of these statements are true.
Cat of Doom.
With rumination, the cow brings up partially digested food, chews it and then swallows it again. Instead, with caprophagy, the rabbit deficates partially digested food and ingests it again. Both involve further mastication of partially digested food, they just differ in how the food gets back into the mouth of the animal. Therefore, I disagree with son of ham and I belive (I have faith!) that caprophagy is similar to rumination.
As for the evangelicals, they make me puke. Palin's candidacy is so full of hles and lies, incompetence and presumption, but all she needs to do is to claim she is a believer. All for political expediency. If her opponents had such a checkered personal and professional life, they'd destroy his character in a second. I don't trust them, and I think they should be paying taxes, since they're so much more political than religious or principled.
Yes, so many sects have arisen since the start of Christianity proclaiming "the end is near". What makes Revelations (which was written as if the end was coming 2000 years ago) any different than the guy on the off ramp with a cardboard box proclaiming it?
Plenty have set dates, but they all insist that they have some answer the others didn't. I wonder what date Palin's church has in mind for WW3 when Alaska will be the last refuge of the US.... I'm sure its right around when she had access to that shiny red button. And then God will tell her its time to push it and bring about His will.
I am a Muslim and I approve your message.
Christians and Muslims for Obama/Biden '08
Being Christian, Muslim, Jew does not give you monopoly of God. Rather, we all belong to God and He is indeed our unifying umbrella.
Do not doubt God but rather question how and what means you use to relate to Him. If you would like us to further discuss this topic, please feel free to email me at yasriel2001@yahoo.com.
Thank you.
God bless
~Denis Diderot (1713-1784)
I can see in your posting that you are full of doubt and fear and you clutch onto scriptures as your answer because you have so much doubt. You think you've finally found your answer and your proof because you were taught not to question the bible. But you must always question man. And as we all know, man is the Bible's author. Not "God". The bible is a book about the Sun, adopted from writings from Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Ancient India, and other civilizations. The Romans used a hybrid of these ancient scriptures to create a society of Kings of Kings and to replace the biggest traditional ceremony of the time (Winter Solstice celebration) to the birth of Christ and thus control the celebration and therefore the thinking of people. The sun was replaced with a man who like the sun, died and was born again. The story took hold. They used the concept of God's relationship to a human figure as proof of God (Jesus). With the proof in place, one only need to use the "power of God" to control the actions of the leaders of other nations. people were tortured and lives destroyed during this painful period of taking hold of the world. the church was all about absolute power. The vatican is still considered it's own nation within the confines of Rome. Their wealth and power is still unchallenged. it worked.
Now small churches everywhere in the American South used the bible for the same reasons as did the Romans. thye are driving fear into the hearts of youth and preaching that only your complete dedivcation to the church will save you. People beleiving in something under this pretense are living in fear. they pretend they have nothing to fear because they are "saved". but the reality is that not everyone will choose to be saved and therefore there will always be "them". The evil one's who will perish. You must live in a world where everyday you are comparing yourself to others. You are living among "the dead". You are lothing and despising other people. You are living like a small fearful child in a dark closet.
You are ignorant and very dangerous to yourself and others. But forgiven. It's not too late to find your true heart. To find "God", you don''t need literal translations of man's ideas. You need love. Not the imposed kind of love that your church is cramming down your throatt in scripture. Not the quasi-love that is written on your forced "I'm happy because I found the Lord" smile. You're not happy. You deny your own sins to the point you were saved and you live in a world of terror. This is not love. This is fear. I'm talking about the organic kind of love. The natural sun-in-your face, freash rain, Jesus as the staunch liberal and defender of the little guy love.
God is in your heart. Not in a book. There is no "plan". We are all in control of our future and it's time we take accountability for it's complete failure and start making corrections now. I will not stand by idly while the likes of people like you destroy our planet to prove a religious point. You kill "God's" creation and you, as well as all of the rest of the human race you drag down with you, will all be in a fiery "hell". There is no space ship to rescue you from nuclear disctruction. And if there is, I hope its inhabtants disect you to see what went wrong in the minds of your failed race, make the necessary genetic alterations and start a new human colony void of your brand of ignorance and hate and fear.
Fundamentalism is a result of closing one's mind to the beauty and artistic expression of religious writings and using them instead as a tool to divide peoplesby creating create an "us and them" mentalllity that can only result in fear, hate, prejudice and war.
Is this what the great thinkers of our past intended when they wrote holy scriptures? Or did they intend for people to open their minds and their hearts and find the true meaning for themselves?
Adam didn't take one of his ribs out and create a woman.
Eve did not talk to a snake and eat an apple and then instantly change all herbivores on the planet into carnivors.
Jesus was not the only religious figure to shares the Sun attributes (winter solstice, virgin mother, etc.).
But these writings, Christian and other, do provide a good story which if interpreted and appreciated for what they can do to better the human condition, are world treasures.
I don't believe in a man in the sky. I don't believe in "God" in the traditional respect. But I do belive all of us need to feel accoutable to a force of nature greater than ourselves and when I read "in God We trust" on my change and I hear "one nation under God" in my pledge to my country, I know that our founding fathers of this great nation were thinking the same thing. By trusting in "God", we are trusting in the future. We are trusting in our children. We are trusting in the collective conscience of man. Man is inherently good as we shall soon find out.
Unfortunately, there are many fundamentalists who call themselves "Christians" who are altering the perspective and meaning of this phrase and putting the future of our great nation in grave danger. It's time to stop them. It's time to take "God" back. "God" is not a product or service. "God" is not a means of material gain or power or control. These are all traits of man. "God" is being lowered to the level of the most unsavory of man. "God" is used a club to beat other men, a threat to drive fear into other men, and a scapegoat for the very same men who control others using the concept of a vengeful, angry "God" whose "will" is open for discusion.
I am sickened at what has become of a great idea. This war against "evil" that America has declared is a war waged by one group of fundamentalists (Christian) against another (Muslum). Both are rooted is goodness. Both are being abused by fundamentalists.
Any war on "evil" is truly a war against ALL fundamentalists. Including those thousands of dangerous Chriastian fundamentalists living and breathing on American soil. The Republican party will be wise to distance themselves from these separatists before they gain full control over the party and inject their fundamentalist ideals into the constitution and begine the greatest decline since the fall of Rome.
I just wanted to let you know that the words, In God we trust on our money and One nation under God in our pledge were not put their by our founding fathers, it was added much later, I am not sure exactly when for the currency, but the pledge was added in 1945.
I had like to respond to your talk by asking you some few questions:
1. If there wasn't an all knowing being (God), how could the predictions in the Bible and Quran be 100% accurate? Events that were going to occur in the future yet have been foretold thousands of years early.
2. Consider the sky above you without pillars, how come it has not fallen on you?
3. Consider LOVE; how come you love your spouses so deeply and yet you were never related?
4. Consider your food, how come has Man you have so many varieties to choose from but the animals do not have those options?
5. Do you have kids? If you do, how come your heart beats with so much joy at the sight of your baby smiles and you love your kids dearly?
The fact is there are so many things within you and other you to proof the existence of the All-Knowing, Ever Powerful God. All you need to do is reflect deeply on HIS signs around you.
God does not need your money and he does not even take it. Rather he provides for you all the treasures you see around. It is only men that milk religion for the own personal goals.
Mind you, I am not even a Christian. I am a Muslim but I will always defend my Christian fellows as regards to God.
Interesting, what created science?
Um, what? Are you serious? Are literally asking what holds up the gases that comprise our atmosphere, or what holds the stars in space?
If science, why don't scientist change the order of the Sun and make it go from West to East?
Think.
You are an uneducated ignoramus. Your lack of understanding of the basic fundamental knowledge of science is one of the factors destroying this once great nation. I am horrified by your ignorance, but as an educator I see it every day.
When JFK set the USA space program up (to compete with the old soviets) he set into action science programs that made this nation competitive and prosperous.
The backwoods nature of the fundamental Christian cults that have grown up in this country in place of understanding of the true nature of the physical world--the physical nature of this world, not whatever you think is happening in your own mind--is what is destroying our nation along with the ability to compete internationally.
Voters are uneducated and uninformed. They cannot tell the difference between fiction and fact. In this case the facts are well understood and explained by the many sciences--geology, biology, physics, & chemistry. Because you do not have a grasp on the evidence science presents every day, evidence of how the world works, and because this is being passed on to young students, Americans are suffering from the pox of ignorance that rivals the Taliban. Indeed, some have called this extreme form of Christianity the American Taliban. Fundamentalism that rejects reason, whether the religion is Christian or Muslim or Hindu (or whatever other religion you can think of,) when it turns to fundamentalism and rejects reality, we all suffer. We have suffered enough in this country with the likes of our ignorant president who refuses to support science. We have lost our standing in the world and as a nation have turned our collective back on sound principles of science, science that brought us penicillin and other antibiotics, ideas that provide insulin for diabetics, ideas that save lives.
We must take a stand against religious bigotry and prejudice. We quickly become a nation of ignorant fools without reason and science.
I will reiterate again. I was only attempting to proof the existence of God, and nothing more.
To the contrary, I believe God created this world for us to explore and seek knowledge. If not, I would not have possessed a master’s degree in a science related field. However, we must understand that in as much as we want to seek knowledge and challenge nature and our environment, we must also give credit to the creator.
To your dismay, my views are closely aligned with Democrats on the issue of science.
And let us know which school, so we can get their accredation removed. Same goes for your comments about the sky and other ignorant assertions. It is just sad how bad education is in this country.
I have nothing against God and religion, everyone has a right to their own beliefs. But when they miss the basics of science and the Earth is the center of the universe or light bulbs are run by "magic" then its just a shame.
2. Consult Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.
3. Animals love; especially social animals. What is love? Why do men like certain types of women, and vice versa? It's called genetics, imprinting, nurturing, experience, etc.
4. The number of edible foods is quite small. Can you eat dirt? Earthworms can.
5. I have no kids. Thank "God."
You cannot disprove a fantasy when the counter arguments are fantastical.
1. Man's ascension to space 2. Our ever expanding universe 3. Big Band thoery 4. Sea Water (Fresh and Salt water) 5. Embryo development in the womb 6. The lowest point on earth 7. Exploding stars 8. The bases of Algorithms etc.....
Please educate yourself by taking a copy of the English Quran.
I don't think anybody's believed in Big Band Theory since the '50s, though.
Obama/Biden '08
God Bless.
1. Both the Bible and Quran were written by people not an "All knowing being" and several sections of the bible were written long after the fact and were by then probably embelished a bit.
2. The sky above us is made of gases, which don't weigh anything, ya know air. It doesn't need "pillars" to hold it up like a ceiling.
3. Love happends to all, not just people who believe in "God". It's an emotion that is hardwired into our brains.
4. Animals have as many options as we do. And as to the many varities that humans have, it's called nature a and mankind has helped create alot of those varities.
5. see #3 above.
As to the signs - do me a favor check the facts - the majority of the Christain religion is based partly on the Tora and on Pagan rituals and "Gods/Godesses". While I don't know much about Islam, I do believe that the majority of that book is based on comments/dictates, etc. by a human.
Which brings me to a question I would like to ask - why is it that Judism, Christainity, and Islam all believe in the same God and a good amount of the all of the holy books teach alot of the same principals and follow the same path, yet all of "you" continue to claim yours is the "right" religion?
I commend you for defending someone of a different faith than yours, especially in this day and age. Trust me, I know that the majority of Muslims only want to live in peace, etc. and that it's the radicals that put your religion in a bad spotlight. But still it makes me wonder how people who all believe in the same "God" can't seem to get along at all. BTW I'm not a Christain, Muslim or Jew - I'm a Pagan (the original religion).
If the Quran, Bible ....were written by man then you have to pay attention to this conversation.
While I was studying in college, I took a class in Geology. So, the lecturer went forth discussing the Big Bang Theory, a theory not older than 200 years. But we (the students) did not believe him neither did he believe himself because he just had to teach it (as per syllabus). He was Christian.
Weeks after the class, I went to a Mosque (place of worship for Muslims) and the speaker started talking about Big Bang theory...then he quoted this verse "Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Quran Chapter 21 verse 30.
I was astonished to find out that the Quran, revealed over 1420 years could now be the reference for science in the last 200 years.
Consider this, who among human beings could have known this fact 1420 years without all the modern tool of today’s world? This was beyond human comprehension at that time and God has made us understand it now.
Reference: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/bigbang502...
Obama's perceived lack of experience can be remedied (i.e. experienced VP, good advisors, his own obvious intelligence); however, McCain's "lack of moral compass" will require a repentance and attention to his inner spirituality that, during his 20 years in Washington, he does not seem terribly interested.
We are supposed to be a beacon for the rest of the world. When we trash the most important values on which we built the republic we only serve the cause of those who would attack us.
I'll take unsafe over life in a later day Nazi Germany any day of the week.
American's like you don't deserve the freedoms you enjoy and would so easily surrender. You repulse me.
Sorry I repulse you Joe. Have a good day. Paula
And Cincy McCain's generosity? Bully for her--a nice way to asuage guilt for how that money was earned. There isn't ANYONE in that tax bracket who has "clean" wealth. It's all been acquired on the backs of the poor and middle class and at the expense of the environment, and our very capitalistic system, thanks to the economic policies of the GOP. It's just plain obscene. If the Republicans had not jettisoned controls of Wall Street during the past 8 years, we most likely wouldn't be in the current friggin' economic mess. Don't your dare tell us how great a job Bush did in making us safer since 9/11. He and his neocons have r_aped the entire country and put the entire world economy in peril. Not to mention the future of the U.S. as the leader of the free world!! I'd say, the terrorists reaped rewards from 9/11 they never dreamed possible. Bush and his cronies ought to be brought to trial as a traitors, war criminals and out and out thieves.
Meanwhile, the McBush/Palin ticket leaves even more to be desired: truthfulness, moral leadership and credibility. What a joke.
Also the whole Republican philosophy isn't very Christian: Blame everyone for their own problems regardless of the resources(or lack there of) to better themselves, help no one but the rich, and pointless war...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the lessons taught in the Bible and other such books had to do with cherishing what God gives us--like the planet and it's resources, helping others less fortunate than you, lies are bad, etc...
Also for a party that claims itself to be SO patriotic--How patriotic is voter suppression? How patriotic is denying the right to vote to people who have trouble paying for their house? How patriotic is denying the right to vote to innocent people whose names are SIMILAR to felons? The Republicans have made sport out of many ideas to disenfranchise voters. In my mind they are quite evil. Beware of political agendas filtered through religion--same method the terrorists are using to get recruits.
Frankly, any such surpression is downright unamerican, undemocratic, and not worthy of the human race.
McCain has soiled himself and brought great dishonor upon himself, his party, and this nation.
He deserves to be defeated for choosing Palin.
accident...applied for a marriage license to marry his 2nd wife BEFORE his divorce was final from the 1st) or he just did not care enough about that to consider McCain up-principled OR he is JUST AS un-principled as McCain when it suits his needs.
I just don't get it.
If you still feel scared after this...then you’re probably afraid of your own shadow.
Thank you for taking the time to give us your point of view. What is obvious to you as a matter of faith, isn't that obvious to me. When you look around everything that you see, you see through God because that is the way that you choose to look at the world. When I look I see a natural world built on scientific principles. Where faith is concerned there is no right or wrong, only faith or disbelief.
But we are both looking at the same thing, and from what I can tell we both care about it deeply. That is all that really matters. We can work together, and come together based on a love for the planet and all creation. We can work to make this world better for everyone. But I don't think we'll be able to convince each other that what we each choose to believe is correct.
It is true we both care for our world and we both want to conserve and improve it. So, let's work together to put Obama in the White House.
Obama/Biden '08
However, I must echo the views of Jaime and question your continued use of words like "truth" and "fact". You do not seem to have any conception of what these words mean.
I would quote you back to you, "I have only posted my views that perhaps, given the chance to review what I reviewed, you might come to the same conclusion about the existence of the Creator as I did." Perhaps if you acknowledged that my non-faith is as valid as your faith then we could have a civil discussion on spirituality. Until then you will continue to be reviled as a "scary bible thumper".
We can disagree but not be disagreable though...cheers:)
I am a Christian grandma and I really like you. You and I don't see eye to eye on the literalism of our Holy Books but that really is okay. If we are able to treat each other with love and respect, I would say we are both working hard to discover what is true about each of our Books and our faiths.
James Dobson 0.
We have entered a new era where the very thing many of our ancestors fled-Religious Persecution and intolerance-is now being fomented by the religious right/evangelicals...trying to force their beliefs down everyone's collective throat. For God's sake people that's why we left Europe and so many other places to come here. They are forcing their views into legislation and regulation-that's not separation of church and state...that's just more of the same old 'persecution' we walked away from once. I for one am not running this time...I'm fighting...any one else want to join?
damnedvangelicals!!!! Leave my country alone!!!!!!
WIthout his honor he is really nothing.
There have been so many McCain lies this campaign that I find him
DISHONORABLE!
I say unto you... the day of instant Karma is upon us and they ... in light of all mankind... shall choke on the very seeds they have been planting and shall now reap...
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/news/press_r...
Alaska Governor Sarah Palin Wins 2008 Rubber Dodo Award
BTW...great article. I'd go to a church like this...
Obama has what he needs, an unfaltering faith that if you take care of the people, then you take care of all; none of this trickle down theory and turning people against each other.
I do not view God in the light of our limitations as human beings because God is above all such.
So thank you for your correction.
These are divisive issues, and most importantly, personal issues. They affect no one other than the individual. The individual must reconcile these sins with God.
Besides, how are those greater moral issues than greed, lying, deceit, and warring?
Faith has no place in politics.
McCain has 26 in Congress, Bush had 5 as governor of Texas and now 8 as president. How'd that go for you?
Maybe good judgment and intelligence should be considered. Which by the way, none of the Republicans are demonstrating.
"You cannot put spiritual joy under a microscope; you cannot weigh love in a balance; you cannot measure moral values; neither can you estimate the quality of spiritual worship."
"Science is sustained by reason, religion by faith. Faith, though not predicated on reason, is reasonable; though independent of logic, it is nonetheless encouraged by sound logic. Faith cannot be nourished even by an ideal philosophy; indeed, it is, with science, the very source of such a philosophy."
or, and if interested, read/listen/watch krishnamurti's interview with david bohm, they covered this topic beautifully - http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=154
or try nisragadatta's "I AM THAT"
although not just logically, it also simply doesn't 'feel' right... crude and mean never do, do they?
blind belief and avid fundamentalism run amok everywhere, including the guy right before you, verdad, who made it clear that he zealously, if not rabidly, believes what he believes.
I applaud your brave stances as you wade through a sea of Evangelical Christians who seems to have their blinders on! I LOVE JESUS and I am an Evangelical Christian, but I will not cast my vote based on 1 or 2 issues. Frankly, I was utterly horrified when Sarah Palin addressed the Republican National Convention. Not only are her credentials laughable for the Vice Presidential nominee, but her snide remarks did NOT represent Christianity in any flattering manner. She is a good public speaker that memorized a previously written speech, and I can't imagine why anyone was impressed with what she had to say. I feel like I have fallen into the twilight zone!
And now she avoids the press because the Republicans are afraid her inexperience will show and she embellishes her accomplishments in state government, comparing them to Joe Biden who has had years and years of experience in national government and foreign affairs. And the few interviews in which she participated were vague and filled with political mumbo jumbo. She ran around the questions and her replies were from left field and had nothing to do with the original question! YIKES! She is about as qualified to become V.P....or an even worse case scenario....President ...as I am! And her "gun loving, global warming denying, waving her son off with a smile to face terrible danger in Iraq" personality is grating and insulting to my intelligence!
As for me, I LOVE Obama! As a Christian, I don't agree with all his views, but I really trust in his integrity and honesty and I think that he is brilliant. Do I think that he has enough experience to be President of the United States? I can't honestly answer that, because I don't think ANY of us really understand what it takes to be a great President.
I think it has to do with character, heart, love and the desire to inspire and make change. And to me, Obama is the first politician that has awakened the belief in me that there may be ONE politician that is honest and committed to the American people. When he speaks, I look into his face and I look in his eyes, and I believe that he is FOR REAL! He is like an African American version of James Steward in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". After I saw that movie, I thought, "If only we could actually find someone who inspires hope and confidence again!". And then came Obama. Is he perfect? NO! But will I put my faith in him wholeheartedly...YOU BET!
As for the abortion issue, I would NEVER consider having an abortion and I do believe that life starts at conception. I believe that Obama believes the same, but he believes that it is not up to the government to make those decisions for women. I wish there were NO abortions.....although I worry about those who get pregnant after rape or incest. I can't imagine that the government has the right to make that decision for these victims.
At any rate, would I base my vote only on that one position? NO! I can't when I have a son who turns 18 in Nov. and may face a draft if McCain/Palin get elected. I do not want my son going to a senseless war! In addition, our economy is in the dumper, people are losing their homes and their jobs BECAUSE so many of us voted for Bush for 8 years. And now, after getting duped by the Bush administration… those same people are going to vote for McCain? McCain and Bush are synonymous. Where does McCain really differ? The answer is, he doesn’t! That is absolutely insane. All I can hope is that people LISTEN to what is being said, what the issues are and the positions that the candidates are taking. No, Obama is NOT going to raise taxes for small businesses...and YES, he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. PLEASE don't follow blindly because some Christian leaders prophesy that our LORD said that McCain and Palin are the chosen ones! My personal opinion is that it would be better to pray for ALL the candidates equally and then vote for the person that you think can carry this nation through these dark and discouraging times.
As for you My Cizik, I think that it is great that you are speaking out about global warming and issues that will affect all of us worldwide. Thanks for declaring yourself and using your brain, instead of hiding behind legalism and rhetoric.
I applaud your brave stances as you wade through a sea of Evangelical Christians who seems to have their blinders on! I LOVE JESUS and I am an Evangelical Christian, but I will not cast my vote based on 1 or 2 issues. Frankly, I was utterly horrified when Sarah Palin addressed the Republican National Convention. Not only are her credentials laughable for the Vice Presidential nominee, but her snide remarks did NOT represent Christianity in any flattering manner. She is a good public speaker that memorized a previously written speech, and I can't imagine why anyone was impressed with what she had to say. I feel like I have fallen into the twilight zone!
And now she avoids the press because the Republicans are afraid her inexperience will show and she embellishes her accomplishments in state government, comparing them to Joe Biden who has had years and years of experience in national government and foreign affairs. And the few interviews in which she participated were vague and filled with political mumbo jumbo. She ran around the questions and her replies were from left field and had nothing to do with the original question! YIKES! She is about as qualified to become V.P....or an even worse case scenario....President ...as I am! And her "gun loving, global warming denying, waving her son off with a smile to face terrible danger in Iraq" personality is grating and insulting to my intelligence!
As for me, I LOVE Obama! As a Christian, I don't agree with all his views, but I really trust in his integrity and honesty and I think that he is brilliant. Do I think that he has enough experience to be President of the United States? I can't honestly answer that, because I don't think ANY of us really understand what it takes to be a great President.
I think it has to do with character, heart, love and the desire to inspire and make change. And to me, Obama is the first politician that has awakened the belief in me that there may be ONE politician that is honest and committed to the American people. When he speaks, I look into his face and I look in his eyes, and I believe that he is FOR REAL! He is like an African American version of James Stewart in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". After I saw that movie, I thought, "If only we could actually find someone who inspires hope and confidence again”! And then Obama appeared on the political scene. Is he perfect? NO! Will I put my faith in him wholeheartedly...YOU BET!
As for the abortion issue, I would NEVER consider having an abortion and I do believe that life starts at conception. I believe that Obama believes the same, but feels that it is not up to the government to make those decisions for women. I wish there were NO abortions.....although I worry about those who get pregnant after rape or incest. I can't imagine why government should have the right to make those kinds of excruciating decisions.
At any rate, would I base my vote only on that one position? NO! I can't when I have a son who turns 18 in Nov. and may face a draft if McCain/Palin gets elected. I do not want my son going to a senseless war! In addition, our economy is in the dumper, people are losing their homes and their jobs BECAUSE so many of us voted for Bush for 8 years. And now, after getting duped by the Bush administration… those same people are going to vote for McCain? McCain and Bush are synonymous. Where does McCain really differ? The answer is, he doesn’t! That is absolutely insane. All I can hope is that people LISTEN to what is being said, what the issues are and the positions that the candidates are taking. No, Obama is NOT going to raise taxes for small businesses...and YES, he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. PLEASE don't follow blindly because some Christian leaders prophesy that our LORD said that McCain and Palin are the chosen ones! My personal opinion is that it would be better to pray for ALL the candidates equally and then vote for the person that you think can carry this nation through these dark and discouraging times. As for you My Cizik, I think that it is great that you are speaking out about global warming and issues that will affect all of us worldwide. Thanks for declaring yourself and using your brain, instead of hiding behind legalism and rhetoric.
I applaud your brave stances as you wade through a sea of Evangelical Christians who seems to have their blinders on! I LOVE JESUS and I am an Evangelical Christian, but I will not cast my vote based on 1 or 2 issues. Frankly, I was utterly horrified when Sarah Palin addressed the Republican National Convention. Not only are her credentials laughable for the Vice Presidential nominee, but her snide remarks did NOT represent Christianity in any flattering manner. She is a good public speaker that memorized a previously written speech, and I can't imagine why anyone was impressed with what she had to say. I feel like I have fallen into the twilight zone!
And now she avoids the press because the Republicans are afraid her inexperience will show and she embellishes her accomplishments in state government, comparing them to Joe Biden who has had years and years of experience in national government and foreign affairs. And the few interviews in which she participated were vague and filled with political mumbo jumbo. She ran around the questions and her replies were from left field and had nothing to do with the original question! YIKES! She is about as qualified to become V.P....or an even worse case scenario....President ...as I am! And her "gun loving, global warming denying, waving her son off with a smile to face terrible danger in Iraq" personality is grating and insulting to my intelligence!
As for me, I LOVE Obama! As a Christian, I don't agree with all his views, but I really trust in his integrity and honesty and I think that he is brilliant. Do I think that he has enough experience to be President of the United States? I can't honestly answer that, because I don't think ANY of us really understand what it takes to be a great President.
I think it has to do with character, heart, love and the desire to inspire and make change. And to me, Obama is the first politician that has awakened the belief in me that there may be ONE politician that is honest and committed to the American people. When he speaks, I look into his face and I look in his eyes, and I believe that he is FOR REAL! He is like an African American version of James Stewart in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". After I saw that movie, I thought, "If only we could actually find someone who inspires hope and confidence again”! And then Obama appeared on the political scene. Is he perfect? NO! Will I put my faith in him wholeheartedly...YOU BET!
As for the abortion issue, I would NEVER consider having an abortion and I do believe that life starts at conception. I believe that Obama believes the same, but feels that it is not up to the government to make those decisions for women. I wish there were NO abortions.....although I worry about those who get pregnant after rape or incest. I can't imagine why government should have the right to make those kinds of excruciating decisions.
At any rate, would I base my vote only on that one position? NO! I can't when I have a son who turns 18 in Nov. and may face a draft if McCain/Palin gets elected. I do not want my son going to a senseless war! In addition, our economy is in the dumper, people are losing their homes and their jobs BECAUSE so many of us voted for Bush for 8 years. And now, after getting duped by the Bush administration… those same people are going to vote for McCain? McCain and Bush are synonymous. Where does McCain really differ? The answer is, he doesn’t! That is absolutely insane. All I can hope is that people LISTEN to what is being said, what the issues are and the positions that the candidates are taking. No, Obama is NOT going to raise taxes for small businesses...and YES, he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. PLEASE don't follow blindly because some Christian leaders prophesy that our LORD said that McCain and Palin are the chosen ones! My personal opinion is that it would be better to pray for ALL the candidates equally and then vote for the person that you think can carry this nation through these dark and discouraging times. As for you My Cizik, I think that it is great that you are speaking out about global warming and issues that will affect all of us worldwide. Thanks for declaring yourself and using your brain, instead of hiding behind legalism and rhetoric.
They're not 100% correct... we see what we want to see. In retrospect, any prediction makes perfect sense. All things foretold were written from the perspective of wise men who saw the flaws in humankind and predicted in very general terms what they saw as future folly. When folly that fits their descriptions occur, we point to them as validation of our religions... but that's not validation of religion, it's validation that these men were correct in their perceptions of mankind as flawed.
>>>>>2. Consider the sky above you without pillars, how come it has not fallen on you?
This makes no sense at all... our atmosphere is made up of gases, there are no pillars holding anything up.
>>>>3. Consider LOVE; how come you love your spouses so deeply and yet you were never related?
Consider survivial of the species... it's far easier to survivie and build a fruitful life when you have a partner to help you raise your children, provide food and shelter. Evolution has defined and refined every animal on the face of the planet, including man (yes... shock of shocks, we are actually animals).
>>>>>>4. Consider your food, how come has Man you have so many varieties to choose from but the animals do not have those options?
You're seriously on crack. Animals have the very same options as we do in the natural world... they are free to eat the same fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc. as we are. If you're talking about the pre-packaged crap you get at the grocery store, that has nothing to do with god.
>>>>> 5. Do you have kids? If you do, how come your heart beats with so much joy at the sight of your baby smiles and you love your kids dearly?
Again... survivial of the species. If we didn't love our children, mankind would have died out years ago. We're driven to find a partner (fall in love), form a pair bond (in legal term, marriage) and procreate to ensure that our species survives. Every living thing on the face of the planet follows these same cycles, though the specifics may differ in terms of how long the union between male and female may last, how the young are raised, etc.
I am not an atheist... I do believe in something, but I don't ascribe moral-teaching stories to it, name it or force what I believe on others. I find myself unbelievably frustrated at the rather large population of people on this planet who are taught to believe the things they read in a book that was written thousands of years ago by men who were politically motived and power hungry as a way to live their own lives.
Find your own way... do what works for you and your life -- as long as you're following a leader, you allow yourself to be manipulated, duped and taken advantage of.
I applaud your brave stances as you wade through a sea of Evangelical Christians who seems to have their blinders on! I LOVE JESUS and I am an Evangelical Christian, but I will not cast my vote based on 1 or 2 issues. Frankly, I was utterly horrified when Sarah Palin addressed the Republican National Convention. Not only are her credentials laughable for the Vice Presidential nominee, but her snide remarks did NOT represent Christianity in any flattering manner. She is a good public speaker that memorized a previously written speech, and I can't imagine why anyone was impressed with what she had to say. I feel like I have fallen into the twilight zone!
And now she avoids the press because the Republicans are afraid her inexperience will show and she embellishes her accomplishments in state government, comparing them to Joe Biden who has had years and years of experience in national government and foreign affairs. And the few interviews in which she participated were vague and filled with political mumbo jumbo. She ran around the questions and her replies were from left field and had nothing to do with the original question! YIKES! She is about as qualified to become V.P....or an even worse case scenario....President ...as I am! And her "gun loving, global warming denying, waving her son off with a smile to face terrible danger in Iraq" personality is grating and insulting to my intelligence!
As for me, I LOVE Obama! As a Christian, I don't agree with all his views, but I really trust in his integrity and honesty and I think that he is brilliant. Do I think that he has enough experience to be President of the United States? I can't honestly answer that, because I don't think ANY of us really understand what it takes to be a great President.
I think it has to do with character, heart, love and the desire to inspire and make change. And to me, Obama is the first politician that has awakened the belief in me that there may be ONE politician that is honest and committed to the American people. When he speaks, I look into his face and I look in his eyes, and I believe that he is FOR REAL! He is like an African American version of James Stewart in "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". After I saw that movie, I thought, "If only we could actually find someone who inspires hope and confidence again”! And then Obama appeared on the political scene. Is he perfect? NO! Will I put my faith in him wholeheartedly...YOU BET!
As for the abortion issue, I would NEVER consider having an abortion and I do believe that life starts at conception. I believe that Obama believes the same, but feels that it is not up to the government to make those decisions for women. I wish there were NO abortions.....although I worry about those who get pregnant after rape or incest. I can't imagine why government should have the right to make those kinds of excruciating decisions.
At any rate, would I base my vote only on that one position? NO! I can't when I have a son who turns 18 in Nov. and may face a draft if McCain/Palin gets elected. I do not want my son going to a senseless war! In addition, our economy is in the dumper, people are losing their homes and their jobs BECAUSE so many of us voted for Bush for 8 years. And now, after getting duped by the Bush administration… those same people are going to vote for McCain? McCain and Bush are synonymous. Where does McCain really differ? The answer is, he doesn’t! That is absolutely insane. All I can hope is that people LISTEN to what is being said, what the issues are and the positions that the candidates are taki ng. No, Obama is NOT going to raise taxes for small businesses...and YES, he is going to cut taxes for 95% of Americans. PLEASE don't follow blindly because some Christian leaders prophesy that our LORD said that McCain and Palin are the chosen ones! My personal opinion is that it would be better to pray for ALL the candidates equally and then vote for the person that you think can carry this nation through these dark and discouraging times. As for you My Cizik, I think that it is great that you are speaking out about global warming and issues that will affect all of us worldwide. Thanks for declaring yourself and using your brain, instead of hiding behind legalism and rhetoric.
Obama/Biden is the only way to go
-they are the ones who care about the "Little Guy" the common man!
Mc Palin-is 4/8 years more of Raygun/Bush ...Economics, World Domination,Corporate Welfare,Cronism,Facist,Greedy,Privitized Wealth Socialized Debt,BIGGER GOVT,MILITARY WASTEFULNESS,...THEOCRATIC RULE and CRIMINAL LYING POLITCS AS USUAL!!!
the USA cannot take it anylonger ,this whole mess was orchestrated by Phil Grahm and friends-the NEO CONSERVATIVES have...
[1] STOLEN OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN FOR THEIR OIL WAR
[2] stolen from us thru housing/commodity bubble
[3] stolen from us by letting insurance industry be the middleman skimming off public wealth thru private healthcare,banking industry foulups-and highrates for just about anything needing insurance-ALL THE DUMMIES LIVING ON THE BEACH IN THE PATHS OF HURRICANES THAT HIT US YEAR AFTER YEAR
[4] stolen from us THROUGH CORPORATE BAILOUTS/SOCIALIZED CORPORATE DEBT TRANSFER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
THE MADNESS HAS TO STOP, NEEDS TO STOP!!!
Obama/Biden have a plan a real plan for change for restructuring our once great country where people of the world looked up to us because of our industry,wealth, honesty, caring, productivity, inovation and dedication towards the betterment of mankind!
now the world hates us fears us loathes us-i know, we travel-we do not get a warm reception wherever we go-somtimes it is downright hostile towards americans,and its not at american per se but towards our government and corrporate globalization domination policies.
We as a Christian nation(That is what the Neo-Cons call the USA) do not live up tp the example of True Christianity-
THE USA KILLS IN GODS NAME-WARS IN GODS NAME -TERRORIZES THE WORLD IN GODS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL ME AND BILLIONS OTHERS WHO JESUS/YESHUA WOULD .......NUKE?......... BOMB? .........GUN DOWN?........ BLACK OPPS OVERTHROW OF NATURAL RESOURCE RICH SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES??? ..............MURDER AND ENSLAVE FOR CHEAP GOODS FOR ITS GREEDY PEOPLE?????????
NOT MY JESUS /YESHUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-BUSH AND CO. ARE BOUND FOR HELL FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN GODS NAME,THEY HAVE PERVERTED-ALTERED-DISTORTED CHRIST IMAGE TO THE WORLD TO OUR NATION-TO MINE AND MANY OTHERS CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!
THE NEOCONS DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE HERE IN AMERICA LET ALONE GOVERN THIS GREAT AND CAPABLE NATION FILLED WITH HONEST AND HARDWORKING PEOPLE GOD FEARING PEOPLE!
-IF THE NEOCONS WERE TRULY CHRISTIANS THEY WOULD FEAR GODS WRATH AND JUDGEMENT FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!
-HITLER MAY HAVE KILLED MILLIONS IN A SHORT TIME SPAN BUT WE AS A CHRISTIAN NATION HAVE KILLED FAR GREATER NUMBERS IN A LONG DRAWN OUT SAGA OVER DECADES OF CORPORATE GREED AND A HUNGRY MILITARY WITH ITCHY FINGERS WILLING TO DO THEIR BIDDING!
-IF WE WERE A CHRISTIAN NATION LIVING BY GODS DECREES WE WOULD HAVE NO NEED OF A AWSOME AND MIGHTY MILITARY BECAUSE GOD WOULD PROTECT US FROM HARM FROM OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE USA LIVES AS COWARDLY PROJECTING IMPOTENT RAGEFULL BULLY-
I AM ASHAMED TO CALL MYSELF AN AMERICAN AND A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW HEAR THIS -OPEN YOUR HEARTS
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR BETTER SCHOOL'S?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR GOOD ROADS AND HIGHWAYS?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND CLEAN AIR TO BREATHE?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS TO RAISE A FAMILY?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL RICH OR POOR?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR GOOD JOBS THAT PAY FOR A FAMILIES NEEDS-FOOD CLOTHING SHELTER?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR FREE HIGHER EDUCATION IF ONE WANTS IT?
Or would you rather buy: cruise missiles ,tanks, apache helicopters, trident submarines full of Poseidon Thermo-nuclear warhead missiles,smart bombs, laser guided bombs, anti tank guns, ICBM’s, aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates, chemical weaponry, biological agents, machine guns,ammunition,battle drones, f-18 hornets,stealth bombers with nukes how many ways can we kill our fellow man-in Gods name???
......WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED SO THAT THE WRATH AND SCORN OF BILLIONS OF SOULS ON THIS PLANET IS DIRECTED AT YOU,THIS COUNTRY AND OUR GOD???
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE-YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED-
YOU MAY THINK MCPALIN IS A LESSER OF EVILS BASED UPON A SKEWED PERSPECTIVE BUILT UPON PERVERTED NEOCON THINKING, AGENDAS and Lies-PROPAGANDA IF YOU WILL.........BUT..............
Obama and Biden live out there ideals day to day, they have a plan
They care about Americans,they care about Americas future,they care about the future of our children and our childrens children!
If you look at the republican record thru the years you will see that this agenda is repeated time and time again-BIG REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE IT IS GOVERNMENT RAN BY CORPORATE AMERICA-NOT … BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE!!!
Democratic government is inherently by and for the people of the United States of America-I will agree that there seems to be little difference between the Republicans and the Democrats right now in this-juncture of history.
Our Gov’t is filled with greed, dishonesty and corruption, on both sides of the fence-there needs to be a change if this country is to survive if not flourish-change if this world is to survive and evolve-change so that we all do not perish in a mushroom cloud Armageddon-
I believe from the deepest reaches of my soul that Barack Obama , Joesph Biden and their future cabinet represent the True change that Americans need –the true change that the world needs-we cannot suffer what has happened any longer-the time for REAL CHANGE IS NOW!!!
BARACK OBAMA & JOSHEPH BIDEN for the white house and future generations!
-they are the ones who care about the "Little Guy" the common man!
Mc Palin-is 4/8 years more of Raygun/Bush ...Economics, World Domination,Corporate Welfare,Cronism,Facist,Greedy,Privitized Wealth Socialized Debt,BIGGER GOVT,MILITARY WASTEFULNESS,...THEOCRATIC RULE and CRIMINAL LYING POLITCS AS USUAL!!!
the USA cannot take it anylonger ,this whole mess was orchestrated by Phil Grahm and friends-the NEO CONSERVATIVES have...
[1] STOLEN OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN FOR THEIR OIL WAR
[2] stolen from us thru housing/commodity bubble
[3] stolen from us by letting insurance industry be the middleman skimming off public wealth thru private healthcare,banking industry foulups-and highrates for just about anything needing insurance-ALL THE DUMMIES LIVING ON THE BEACH IN THE PATHS OF HURRICANES THAT HIT US YEAR AFTER YEAR
[4] stolen from us THROUGH CORPORATE BAILOUTS/SOCIALIZED CORPORATE DEBT TRANSFER TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!!
THE MADNESS HAS TO STOP, NEEDS TO STOP!!!
Obama/Biden have a plan a real plan for change for restructuring our once great country where people of the world looked up to us because of our industry,wealth, honesty, caring, productivity, inovation and dedication towards the betterment of mankind!
now the world hates us fears us loathes us-i know, we travel-we do not get a warm reception wherever we go-somtimes it is downright hostile towards americans,and its not at american per se but towards our government and corrporate globalization domination policies.
We as a Christian nation(That is what the Neo-Cons call the USA) do not live up tp the example of True Christianity-
THE USA KILLS IN GODS NAME-WARS IN GODS NAME -TERRORIZES THE WORLD IN GODS NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TELL ME AND BILLIONS OTHERS WHO JESUS/YESHUA WOULD .......NUKE?......... BOMB? .........GUN DOWN?........ BLACK OPPS OVERTHROW OF NATURAL RESOURCE RICH SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES??? ..............MURDER AND ENSLAVE FOR CHEAP GOODS FOR ITS GREEDY PEOPLE?????????
NOT MY JESUS /YESHUA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-BUSH AND CO. ARE BOUND FOR HELL FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN GODS NAME,THEY HAVE PERVERTED-ALTERED-DISTORTED CHRIST IMAGE TO THE WORLD TO OUR NATION-TO MINE AND MANY OTHERS CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!
THE NEOCONS DO NOT DESERVE TO LIVE HERE IN AMERICA LET ALONE GOVERN THIS GREAT AND CAPABLE NATION FILLED WITH HONEST AND HARDWORKING PEOPLE GOD FEARING PEOPLE!
-IF THE NEOCONS WERE TRULY CHRISTIANS THEY WOULD FEAR GODS WRATH AND JUDGEMENT FOR THEIR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!
-HITLER MAY HAVE KILLED MILLIONS IN A SHORT TIME SPAN BUT WE AS A CHRISTIAN NATION HAVE KILLED FAR GREATER NUMBERS IN A LONG DRAWN OUT SAGA OVER DECADES OF CORPORATE GREED AND A HUNGRY MILITARY WITH ITCHY FINGERS WILLING TO DO THEIR BIDDING!
-IF WE WERE A CHRISTIAN NATION LIVING BY GODS DECREES WE WOULD HAVE NO NEED OF A AWSOME AND MIGHTY MILITARY BECAUSE GOD WOULD PROTECT US FROM HARM FROM OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE USA LIVES AS COWARDLY PROJECTING IMPOTENT RAGEFULL BULLY-
I AM ASHAMED TO CALL MYSELF AN AMERICAN AND A CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW HEAR THIS -OPEN YOUR HEARTS
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR BETTER SCHOOL'S?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR GOOD ROADS AND HIGHWAYS?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR CLEAN DRINKING WATER AND CLEAN AIR TO BREATHE?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS TO RAISE A FAMILY?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR FREE HEALTHCARE FOR ALL RICH OR POOR?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR GOOD JOBS THAT PAY FOR A FAMILIES NEEDS-FOOD CLOTHING SHELTER?
WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED OR FREE HIGHER EDUCATION IF ONE WANTS IT?
Or would you rather buy: cruise missiles ,tanks, apache helicopters, trident submarines full of Poseidon Thermo-nuclear warhead missiles,smart bombs, laser guided bombs, anti tank guns, ICBM’s, aircraft carriers, destroyers, frigates, chemical weaponry, biological agents, machine guns,ammunition,battle drones, f-18 hornets,stealth bombers with nukes how many ways can we kill our fellow man-in Gods name???
......WOULD YOU RATHER PAY TAXES FOR WARS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED SO THAT THE WRATH AND SCORN OF BILLIONS OF SOULS ON THIS PLANET IS DIRECTED AT YOU,THIS COUNTRY AND OUR GOD???
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE-YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED-
YOU MAY THINK MCPALIN IS A LESSER OF EVILS BASED UPON A SKEWED PERSPECTIVE BUILT UPON PERVERTED NEOCON THINKING, AGENDAS and Lies-PROPAGANDA IF YOU WILL.........BUT..............
Obama and Biden live out there ideals day to day, they have a plan
They care about Americans,they care about Americas future,they care about the future of our children and our childrens children!
If you look at the republican record thru the years you will see that this agenda is repeated time and time again-BIG REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE IT IS GOVERNMENT RAN BY CORPORATE AMERICA-NOT … BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE!!!
Democratic government is inherently by and for the people of the United States of America-I will agree that there seems to be little difference between the Republicans and the Democrats right now in this-juncture of history.
Our Gov’t is filled with greed, dishonesty and corruption, on both sides of the fence-there needs to be a change if this country is to survive if not flourish-change if this world is to survive and evolve-change so that we all do not perish in a mushroom cloud Armageddon-
I believe from the deepest reaches of my soul that Barack Obama , Joesph Biden and their future cabinet represent the True change that Americans need –the true change that the world needs-we cannot suffer what has happened any longer-the time for REAL CHANGE IS NOW!!!
BARACK OBAMA & JOSHEPH BIDEN for the white house and future generations!
You are right/McCain is not the McCain of old. We shouldn't make the mistake of thinking he is.
What did he REALLY say in place of [more experience]????
carries his thoughts and beliefs a step further he will switch party identity. It could happen, but
even that isn't as important as his influence in changing the hearts and minds of his community
on global warming. Way to go Cizik!
I appreciate that you have the courage to say not all evangelicals are enamored with Palin. I certainly am not. I admire her as a person but that does not mean I think she should be vice president of the United States. I also just love the hypocrisy of Dobson who would tell any other woman in Palin's position who had five children, that her place was in the home as a complement to her husband and not out working. I think he's going to have to revise his gender ideology to allow women to be pastors -=---oh wait, one rule for the 'secular' world and one rule for the 'religious' world. He'll twist himself in knots so that men retain patriachal hegemony in the church. God forbid Palin would want to be ordained as a minister!!!!!! But she can be VP, that's okay.
McCain is just plain dishonorable. I can't in good conscience vote for him.
Jiff
www.FireMe.To/udi
You know, everyone sit and criticizes President Bush, but he is the only one who did what he said he would do. Clinton many times after terroist attacks and Somalia said we would get those responsible. Then NOTHING. President Bush was left to clean up Clinton's mess and at one time was blamed for 9/11. America soil has not been attacked again. Not on his watch.
Clinton twice had a chance to take out Osama before 9/11. NOTHING. If you are truely considering supporting or backing Obama "the Messiah", "the ONE" - Mr. Cizik - Please make it public!!!! This could be good.
Fundamentalism is a result of closing one's mind to the beauty and artistic expression of religious writings and using them instead as a tool to divide peoplesby creating create an "us and them" mentalllity that can only result in fear, hate, prejudice and war.
Is this what the great thinkers of our past intended when they wrote holy scriptures? Or did they intend for people to open their minds and their hearts and find the true meaning for themselves?
Adam didn't take one of his ribs out and create a woman.
Eve did not talk to a snake and eat an apple and then instantly change all herbivores on the planet into carnivors.
Jesus was not the only religious figure to shares the Sun attributes (winter solstice, virgin mother, etc.).
But these writings, Christian and other, do provide a good story which if interpreted and appreciated for what they can do to better the human condition, are world treasures.
I don't believe in a man in the sky. I don't believe in "God" in the traditional respect. But I do belive all of us need to feel accoutable to a force of nature greater than ourselves and when I read "in God We trust" on my change and I hear "one nation under God" in my pledge to my country, I know that our founding fathers of this great nation were thinking the same thing. By trusting in "God", we are trusting in the future. We are trusting in our children. We are trusting in the collective conscience of man. Man is inherently good as we shall soon find out.
Unfortunately, there are many fundamentalists who call themselves "Christians" who are altering the perspective and meaning of this phrase and putting the future of our great nation in grave danger. It's time to stop them. It's time to take "God" back. "God" is not a product or service. "God" is not a means of material gain or power or control. These are all traits of man. "God" is being lowered to the level of the most unsavory of man. "God" is used a club to beat other men, a threat to drive fear into other men, and a scapegoat for the very same men who control others using the concept of a vengeful, angry "God" whose "will" is open for discusion.
I am sickened at what has become of a great idea. This war against "evil" that America has declared is a war waged by one group of fundamentalists (Christian) against another (Muslum). Both are rooted is goodness. Both are being abused by fundamentalists.
Any war on "evil" is truly a war against ALL fundamentalists. Including those thousands of dangerous Chriastian fundamentalists living and breathing on American soil. The Republican party will be wise to distance themselves from these separatists before they gain full control over the party and inject their fundamentalist ideals into the constitution and begine the greatest decline since the fall of Rome.
Matthew 7:16 tells us that "by their fruits we shall know them." So, look at the lives of these two candidates, has their lives benefited, "the least of these" or "If I speak in the languages of humans and angels but have no love, I have become a reverberating gong or a clashing cymbal."
The choice is clear, Barrack Obama cares for the least of these, his works show he loves the human race. The Republican ticket is a reverberating gong, I am religious, I will pass these laws and MAKE people behave in a christian way.
Not unlike the laws of the pharasies who crucified Christ for not obeying the laws.
While the cynical tone of Larry Linn, Yogaforcynics, Cat of Doom, and Josh's posts clearly is meant to exaggerate what they see as flawed logic, they each come across looking like “anti-liberals". They seem to cling so tightly to a perverted satyr of left wing open-mindedness that they have either lost patience for the misguided and uneducated, or lost respect for the bible-beaters' right to practice what these posters may see as an ignorant faith. If this were not the case, they would be true liberals and refrain from maliciously mocking another person's beliefs.
As for Yasriel, his intentions are noble, but he does not realize that he is barking up the wrong tree. Although I may not agree with her entire post, Kady offered one of the most valid points presented in this discussion when she said, "Your belief is based on faith, something you can't see. You can't "prove" a thing. " Just as no amount of cynicism will change Yasriel's mind about the existence of God, no amount of preaching will convert any atheist. Although I am Christian and not Muslim, many of my views align with Yasriel's. It just seems like a futile effort for either the atheist or the religious to argue the "facts".
Within this type of argument there are no facts. The construct of the debate ensures that nothing but a stalemate can occur. The religious counter the scientific with "fantastical arguments" and the scientific counter "fantastical arguments" by proving their fantasticality (probably not a word but I'm using it anyway). With this in mind, I would like to offer up a paradigm through which to view this age-old debate. This paradigm helped move me toward being faithful, and, although I still have a long long longg way to go to be anywhere near anything resembling piety, it opened my mind to some of ideas theology has to offer.
If you ask an atheist how the universe was created, he would presumably explain how during the "big bang" particles collided forming matter and antimatter and the universe as we now know it. If you ask a religious person, he will most likely answer that God created it all. (In one version of the story or another). Now, suppose you ask the religious person where God came from and the atheist where the particles came from. The religious person would say that he believes that God was always there, and the atheist that the particles had always existed.
At this point the question should become paradoxical for the structure of the belief system of the atheist. With this concession, it would seem that the atheist has found at least one thing in the universe that can not be explained by science. It would seem that they just "believe" the particles existed....
Just something to think about. Not an argument that can be proved or disproved, but rather a thinking point that changed my life. Maybe it will change yours and maybe it will just sound "fantastical". Take it however you choose.
YOU WILL BELIEVE IN GOD IF YOU WANT TO BELIEVE, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE IN GOD, I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS WHAT ARGUMENT IS GIVEN FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD..
IF IT'S REALLY A MATTER OF FAITH, THEN LOGIC AND REASON SEEM UNNECESSARY.
I AM A BELIEVER IN JESUS CHRIST BECAUSE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE LORD RESONATES WITHIN MY HEART AND MIND, AND ALSO BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO ACCEPT AND NOT REJECT THIS GIFT, WHICH IS AVAILABLE TO ANYONE WHO GENUINELY WANTS IT..
OBOOMA DOES NOT HAVE CHARACTER, INTEGRITY NOR KNOWS THE MEANING OF THE WORD EITHECS
Blessings
You're a brilliant mind. Thank you for your insight and fair balanced view.
I was a contributor to John McCain's presidential campaign during the Republican Primary of 2000. Eight years later John MCain is a mere shell of his former self. The man has lost his way. John McCain's pathetically poor choice of Sarah Palin for Vice President illustrates how far he has fallen. McCain has put the security of a nation at risk to try to win an election.
No sensible American that loves this country and cares about the well being of the world will vote to make Sarah Palin the potential Commander and Chief. I can see the moon from my back porch. And that does not make me an astronaut. But I am as qualified as Sarah to be president.
Chuck Hagel,a very conservative Republican Senator from Nebraska,has recently expressed how nonsensically unqualified this woman is. Senator Hagel had the guts to put his country first and speak honestly about Sara Palin. Chuck Hagel is a TRUE Maverick.
Nancy Harrison
North Platte, NE.
The Evangelical community has been focused on one verse in politics, “thou shalt not kill.” In the last two elections Bush was voted in as president partly because he didn’t believe in abortion or gay marriage. Yet he has not stopped abortions or gay marriage in almost eight years. Instead he has gotten us into two wars that have killed thousands of people. I don’t think he has obeyed the commandment, “thou shalt not kill”.
According to the congressional record, McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. McCain is pro-war. McCain’s father and grandfather were admirals; he graduated from the Navel Academy and fought in Vietnam. He said he will never surrender in Iraq. He is focused on war and will most likely lead us into more wars where more people will be killed. Palin in a recent interview suggested that she may be willing to attack Russia.
Obama takes the verse, “thou shalt not kill” seriously. He tackles the root of the problem in abortion with programs to prevent teenage pregnancies and health care reforms that will give people the support they need to keep their babies (60% of abortions occur because the women doesn’t have the money to deliver her baby). Obama believes in war only as a last result. He believes in diplomacy, reconciliation, building community and working with our allies. I am convinced that far less people will be killed if Obama is president.
Jesus’s says in Mathew 22:35 that the second greatest commandment (after loving God) is to, “love your neighbor as yourself.” Which candidate believes in loving your neightbor? Obama’s program includes taking care of those who need it with social security, secured pensions. Veteran benefits, etc. According to the Washington Post, Obama will help even out the wealth by lowering taxes 1.9% for those who make less than $227,000, 2.4% under $66,000, 3.6% under $38,000 and 5.5% for those under $19,000. He believes in taking care of all Americans.
There are numerous verses in the Bible about our responsibility to help the poor. "He who gives to the poor lends to the Lord and He will reward him for what he has done." Proverbs 19:17 Obama believes in helping the poor and he’s lived what he believes. He worked in the inner city coordinating with a number of churches to help that Chicago community. He has a number of well thought out programs for helping the poor.
In Psalms 24:1 God says, “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof....” If the earth is the Lord’s who are we to ruin its delicate balance and cause global warming with our carelessness? McCain and Palin want to drill for oil in our sensitive national park which would destroy that ecosystem and the wildlife that depend on it (Palin’s husband works for an oil company). Obama is focused on funding alternative energy which will help us wean ourselves off the oil that is damaging the earth and causing wars.
The Bible instructs us to tell the truth but Palin insists that she was against the “bridge to no-where” when there is documented evidence that she fought for it until congress stopped it. In addition, she and McCain have made a number of false statements about opponents. “Thou shalt not bear false witness against they neighbor.” Exodus 20:16.
If they lie in their campaigns will they be honest in the White House? Or will they say there are weapons of mass destruction when none exist?
Palin is under two investigations for mistreatment of employees in Alaska. Some of her financial dealings in Alaska are questionable. Palin is pro-life and carries her babies to term which is admirable but is it right to not take responsibility for raising these children? She has a four month old baby, a 7 year old, a 14 year old and a pregnant 17 year old at home, is this a good time in her life to leave them and run for office? Pro-life includes taking care of life. McCain, according to those who know him well, has always showed apathy toward religion until he realized that his ticket to the White House ( like Bush before him) was the Evangelical vote, so he chose inexperienced Palin.
Obama is not an Evangelical Christian but his faith has proven to be more consistent. When you’re sick, would you rather go to a good doctor who cures your illness or an Evangelical Christian who doesn’t? American has a serious illness and we need a good doctor, Obama is an excellent healer. He has more integrity than either McCain or Palin. Obama is honest and straightforward. With all the scrutiny on him he has not been found in any scandal. He cares for the poor. He wants to rebuild our relationships abroad. He cares about taking care of our earth where God calls us to be stewards.
If you listen to both convention speeches you see that McCain’s is “the warrior” and Obama is “the healer”. Micah 6:8 instructs us to, “do justice, love mercy and walk humbly with our God.” We will be accountable for what we as a nation if we continue to kill and destroy countries in war. We need to heal our nation and help heal the world. I believe that we Evangelical Christians honor God and His Kingdom by voting for Obama. I believe that would be Jesus’ choice.
Kathi Simonsen
ksimonsen@mediagrowth.com
People said the pledge without those words before then and God didn't come down and smack us or send some terrible tribulation on us.or anything. lol
McCain favors tax policies that allow the ultra rich to grow richer at the expense of the middle class. Bush doubled our national debt to 10 trillion dollars. Mortgaging my daughter's future is hardly in keeping with Biblican principles.
McCain now blames his associations (and his efforts to help Charles Keating) on poor judgment, but
taking free flights to the Bahamas and then helping to call of federal regulators -- costing the taxpayers millions in the process -- raises concerns not only about his judgment, but about this ethics.
McCain has run a smear campaign. His latest attempt to link Obama to Khalidi is hypocritical since he gave the same man over $500,000 in grants from the International Republican Institute. That does not show Biblical ethics.
Palin seems to be also ethically challenged, as the report on troopergate found. Would a true Christian pad the state expense account to cover family costs? Would a true Christian "pal around" with secessionists whose founder stated that he had no use for American and her dammned institutions? Would a true Christian mock scientific research (through fruit flies) that led to advances in genetic understanding of autism? Would a true Christian make the personal choices she had made, with her family, her clothing, and her willingness to smear others?
Obama has shown compassion towards the average person and an understanding of the kinds of problems that have hurt this nation. I believe it is Christian to reach out to others -- isn't that what Jesus talked about in Matthew when he described ministering to the poor, the sick, and those who are in prison? Obama's policies are firmly grounded in such principles. He has my vote.