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Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

steveplantone — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:27:48 -0000

Tim made a mistake. Who hasn't ? All people are imperfect. Why is this such an issue? What he did was wrong, he admitted it. What more needs to be said?
Thanks

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

jim — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:35:30 -0000

Rove is a criminal in a suit congress get him one way ot the other.he hust lots of people ruthless Jerk

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Larry Linn — Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:07:34 -0000

I have one question for Tim Goeglein. Did you ever disclose to anyone, including Robert Novak, that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA, as an intelligence analyst? Remeber the ten commandments, and do not lie.

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Joey Tranchina — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:54:29 -0000

"agendas of force..." great phrase. That is what the "social Conservatives" have is an anti-democratic agenda which when successful gains a majority vote to imprison or otherwise restrict the rights of a minority. But what they really are is a smokescreen for scum who do not even deserve the pretext of a moral agenda, they only seek us — the people — to be divide from one another by irresolvable conflicts so that we won't be watching the books to catch them stealing. "As Stephen Gaskin said, many years ago: "Attention is energy. What you put your attention on, you get more of." We put our attention on stopping Fundamentalist Christian creeps from stealing our social rights, while their master stole the wealth of our country and the security of our children's future.

As von Clausewitz wrote: "The Conqueror is always a lover of peace: he would prefer to take over our country unopposed." That is precisely what they did; they keep us in mortal struggle with these brain-dead Fundamentalist twits, while they peacefully marched through the banks and the insurance companies and the bond rating companies and the derivative selling brokerages and diverted the world's capital into the hands of a cabal of criminals... unopposed. Pretty good trick. They got away with it (so far) because we were otherwise occupied. If you go into your local bank with a candy-stick and rob them of $2223 dollars, you're likely to get ten years, they emptied the vaults and remain "respected citizens." The "moral concerns" of creeps like James Dobson, have always been a diversion - a side-show trick - to take our eyes away from what the real Republicans considered important. They just needed the votes of these rubes to win elections, then threw them crumbs to keep them on board while they got on with the real business agenda - theft. "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!"

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

the annointed one — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:45:54 -0000

is this a real news outlet, or just a blog for liberal butt-buddies. your headline "...DISGRACED ROVE aide..." demonstrates your real hate target......anything Bush!!! at least this person whoever he is had the guts and shame to resign, not 'FIGHTING JOE BIDEN'. at least he's not secretary of state, now that Goeglein is a lobbist maybe he can get a waiver to be in the new administration. i hear if you don't pay taxes that can be a plus and if you have a TV slot maybe surgeon general is a possibility or maybe his wife is getting millions for her library. Wendy, perhaps i've been too harsh, do you object to Goeglein, focus on the family, rove, bush, lobbyist, conservative religious groups, christians, men, babies or all the above, regardless i'm positive your next article will show the balance that i'm sure your known for.

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ericmiami — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:45:01 -0000

Maybe Sarah can get a position with these people, also, too.

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Wes Mahan — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:06:11 -0000

"Being a Christian doesn't mean you're perfect . . . " , but it does mean confessing your imperfections gets you off the hook with God so you can turn right around and do it again. Hey, Tim, go talk to Ted Haggard, he's got that schtick down pretty good by now . . .

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Kraig Morgenstern — Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:41:13 -0000

"Christians" (of the Focus on the Family type) also tend to be the people who favor the Drug War, the Terror War, the Iraq War, the War on Indecency, etc.... they love war. They don't have opinions... they have agendas of force. They're the most dangerous element in American politics. Through their misguided achievements, they end up giving power to predators.

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lthuedk — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:21:26 -0000

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The Iron Cross worked before, and as before the collaboration yielded a self-destructive result.

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Regards

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

rlkinny2 — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:39:34 -0000

What personal experience are you referring to? Please provide information, not undefined inferences.

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Nardwilly — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:28:01 -0000

What are the consequences? He quit his job at the White House for unethical behavior, lying. He now has a better paying job with an organization based on ethical behavior in less than a year. Where are the consequences?

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molly — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:15:33 -0000

That shows Focus on the Family has nothing to do with Christianity. Someone asked Ralph Reed a question from the Bible in Bill Clinton's presence. Reed did not even know what the question was about. Clinton answered the question with a bible verse. Quoting chapter and verse.Used to be a "fundie". Bill Clinton would be known as "backslidden"....Ralph Reed would be know as an unbeliever.

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grf67 — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:50:10 -0000

The republicans just keep on giving. In their defense, most of the folks in the bush white house have been disgraced and the republicans do not have anyone else to choose from. After 2010, there will be even fewer of them.

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warbler — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 02:17:34 -0000

Nicely put. The fudies are always quick to forgive their own for their confessed sins and assume that they will go and sin no more. Bush has put the lie to that notion. What ever happened to the old saying that a tiger cannot change his spots?

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Joey Tranchina — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:43:30 -0000

Ron Sauder wrote: "Does anyone think it's ironic that Karl Rove, an avowed atheist, was the brain behind the evangelical movement that helped elect Bush twice? "

Nope, Seneca nailed that one long ago in Latin: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." <<< Seneca the Younger 4BC-65AD)

Sadly, there is French quote that warns us of the dangers inherent in the manipulation of such irrational forces: "Those who believe absurdities will commit atrocities." <<< Voltaire

We have seen more than enough of that in the last eight years.

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Ron Sauder — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:19:56 -0000

Does anyone think it's ironic that Karl Rove, an avowed atheist, was the brain behind the evangelical movement that helped elect Bush twice? What about Goeglein? Is he also an atheist?

By the way, I don't mean to disparage atheists. I am an agnostic myself.

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Joey Tranchina — Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:11:36 -0000

Good fact-checking on this post and generally informed comments. That's fairly rare. Well done..

I also like the comment about Bozo the clown but actually, except for his untimely death, he might have made an excellent lobbyist for Focus on the Family. After James Dobson's vicious, dishonest and uncivil comments on Barack Obama just prior to the election, bringing in a real clown might just distract a little attention from the blatantly anti-democratic agenda of FoF and the Fundamentalist lunatic fringe that they represent. Since they are pretty much all that's left of the Republican Party - having sickened the rest of us and driven us away - they will just wander in the desert until the circus brings another train-load of elephants to town.

All the Fundamentalists have is their absolute belief in preposterous nonsense. They don't change; they won't grow; they won't learn and they don't go away. So they will be around to flog their own peculiar brand of irrationality, in the pursuit of bad public policy.

Let's just hope that we get break from the distraction of their destructive agenda for at least eight years. Even if they haven't noticed, the rest of us have real work to do.

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bs — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:44:39 -0000

Biden a serial plagiarist? Are you for real? He gave create to Kinnock all but two times. Focus on the Family hiring someone with ties to Karl Rove, not a surprise. Leading with an error as pc pointed out, is not the way to get someone to finish an article.

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Thassamyboy — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:30:39 -0000

You are not reporting Biden's history here but are providing a threadbare and distorting caricature. Biden credited Kinnock and never tried to deceive about this. The comparison is not apt and you should just admit your mistake.

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ranchero42 — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:16:59 -0000

"Focus on the Family"? More like "Focus on the Family Jewels", what a flock of sheep helping each other over the fence, over and over and over...

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Lori B — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:27:58 -0000

I think that is HILARIOUS! Tim Goeglein - if you lie with dogs... HA!

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

Lori B — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:26:55 -0000

You interviewed Ted Haggard on how righteous Tim Goeglein is? Ted Haggard on Goeglein handing over the Evangelical Vote? Really?

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

queenla — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:08:29 -0000

There's a larger issue here than whether Vice President Biden suffered an errant citation or footnote. To me, cribbing a few words or a concept is much less of a concern than plagiarizing a life history. Biden appropriated Neil Kinnock's family experience as his own to advance a personal narrative he found politically potent. And he did that repeatedly.

It's that same sense of ambition for ambition's sake that is evident in Mr. Goeglein's purloined columns that ruffles me, not the omitted "according to..." "as XYZ noted in...", etc.

But to each his own. Thanks for reading and responding.

Re: UPDATED: Disgraced Rove aide named top lobbyist for Focus on the Family

JGC — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:54:29 -0000

Ms. Norris -

That is the most pathetic comparison I have ever seen. The comparison makes this story a very weak attempt at journalism. If you had done your research, you would know what really happened with VP Joe Biden
1) when he was in law school he made an honest mistake and did not cite a paper correctly - his professor at the time said so as well.
2) he used a quote in a debate (which he had used NUMEROUS times before) and incorrectly did not cite the author.
Are these both careless stupid mistakes? Absolutely. Can 2 mistakes be compared to plagiarizing over 50% of your writings at one publication? Hardly.

It is no secret that journalism is a dying industry. From one journalist to another, please stop dragging down the ship.

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Jilli — Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:48:52 -0000

Focus on the family will be so insignificant in this admin that they could have hired bozo the clown and he would be equally effective. It just won't matter - those folks lost their premier seats at the table.