DISQUS

Wildflower · 1 year ago

And speaking of Catholics, I received a robocall today from Bob Beauprez, he of the fox in the henhouse smirk.
He was calling on behalf of Bob Schaffer in re support of Schaffer by Catholics, alluding to 5 tenets of Catholicism, (?) I think he mentioned homosexuality, abortion, stem cell, I don't know what the other two things they hate were, since I am not Catholic.
How very sad and divisive it is when religions interject themselves into politics.
Maybe the churches should pay taxes for awhile instead and they would change their minds about
forcing their religious beliefs on others.

bipolar2 · 1 year ago

** Who cares what any priest says? **

• Pro-life ranters are not pro-life.

They are pro-BIRTH. A dogma once called pro-natalism. It’s an androcentric, completely misogynistic, demand that no impediment whatsoever on births be permitted by law. What happens to mother and child after birth is irrelevant since the “laws” of nature will then cull weak from strong.

No chemical contraception: the pill, spermacides. No barriers to conception: IUD, condoms. No abortions, not even in cases of rape, incest. Pro-natalism is the sexual theory of Ms. Palin, myriad other fundies, Mormons, and the RC church. Enough of ancient paternalistic desert tribal customs which do not belong in any planet-wide ethos.

• Issue one is quality of life, not frequency of birth.

As Marvin Harris made very clear in “Cannibals and Kings”: reproduction will always overtake food production, leading to vast overpopulation, de-facto slavery, degraded environments, and marginal living conditions. Technological intensification of food production makes for only short-term solutions.

But, technological innovation in birth control should already make ancient fears of Doomsday disappear. Why has insane population growth continued, especially in America the wasteful, which added 100 million people in 37 years.

In fact this sick religio-ideology is pro-mass-death: creating disease, poverty, and ignorance worldwide by fostering overpopulation, damning safe non-reproductive sex, and blocking responsible medical research.

• Issue two is social control directed against women and children

Religious authoritarians hate the US. They will not tolerate an open society, a pluralist culture, or a secular state.

Like their muslim brethren, authoritarian xians shudder at a technological world in which mental agility has replaced physical strength as a core measure of economic utility. This reordering of values strips away a core big-3 monotheist lie: god-ordained male supremacy.

Xian ultra-rights, just like Islamic ultra-rights, demand racial “purity,” male dominated social control, subjugation of women, unquestioned acceptance of religious tyranny.

bipolar2 © 2008

paul kos · 1 year ago

Dear American Catholics,

What a moral dilemma! If we believe in the 5th commandment, "Thou shall not
kill", we cannot vote in this election. Both candidates believe in murder.
Obama is pro choice and McCain voted for Bush’s war, one in which we were not attacked,
therefore, a mortal sin; where thousands of Americans soldiers have been martyred
by our diabolic administration for an unworthy cause and where over a hundreds of
thousands of Iraqis have been killed or displaced, mostly civilians.

But, rather than not vote, I suggest you disregard some American Bishops and vote
your conscience.

Otherwise, may we all "requiescant in pace".

Paul Kos

Dan Wegner · 1 year ago

There is no moral dilemma here. If one believe that an individual human being is created at conception as science tells us, then we cannot classify unborn humans as "optional" humans, just like we cannot classify Blacks, Jews, Mentally Disabled, Elderly, and Infants as optional humans. Wake up! We have used abortion to kill 50 million human beings in the name of convenience. Would we vote for a president who supported the "on-demand" killing of some other people group simply because they oppose a specific war or offer a better health plan? Wake up! Senator Obama voted 4 times to allow real babies that were being left to die - and he says the language was wrong - and yet HE VOTED FOR THE LANGUAGE! He doesn't want you to know he will be the most pro-abortion president ever if he takes office - so he lied about the born alive bill that he voted down (see complete documentation here: http://www.bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx).

Dan Wegner · 1 year ago

There is no moral dilemma here. If one believe that an individual human being is created at conception as science tells us, then we cannot classify unborn humans as "optional" humans, just like we cannot classify Blacks, Jews, Mentally Disabled, Elderly, and Infants as optional humans. Wake up! We have used abortion to kill 50 million human beings in the name of convenience. Would we vote for a president who supported the "on-demand" killing of some other people group simply because they oppose a specific war or offer a better health plan? Wake up! Senator Obama voted 4 times to allow real babies that were being left to die - and he says the language was wrong - and yet HE VOTED FOR THE LANGUAGE! He doesn't want you to know he will be the most pro-abortion president ever if he takes office - so he lied about the born alive bill that he voted down (see complete documentation here: http://www.bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx).

Dan Wegner · 1 year ago

If you want to see why Barack Obama shouldn't get a single Catholic vote. see my video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVBeWt2o5U

Wildflower · 1 year ago

I don't know the abortion stats pre Roe v Wade, but I imagine there were just as many per population, the only difference is we didn't hear about them because they left desperate women and young girls bleeding to death in back alleys.
If people are really serious about decreasing the number of abortions, they will advocate for poor women and teenage girls to have access to family planning and birth control information and child-rearing information. And they will advocate to help children who are already born.

elad · 1 year ago

I no longer have respect for priests, or anything they say. I think they want to take rights away from women so they can continue to molest little boys. They want a steady stream of orphans so they can have their pick of little boys to sexually molest. If women have control over their bodies, they will make their way out of their houses, where they have been kept pregnant since the beginning of time. Women will want to enter the priesthood, or just hang around and interfere with their child molesting. Catholic priests don't want women to have birth control, or abortion. They want to stay in control of the church, that's why! I hope women will eventually take over the Catholic Church, and end the horrible male domination and female suppression in the church. How can anyone go to a Catholic Church after what has happened? Bad people, evil people, that's who!

elmerg · 1 year ago

And his church continues to get tax-exempt status? Taxpayers are footing the bill for this intolerant 14th century angry old man?

Tom · 1 year ago

Say, "reverend" chaput, how about cleaning up your own house before you pass judgement on others. Also, how about making some comment about the tens of thousands of people killed by Americans under bush and the millions that have lost their homes. I don't think Jesus would be very proud of your narrow vision of the issues upon which our political leaders should be focused. How about the genocide in Africa, the starving around the world.

Be a real leader with a balanced view. Then, perhaps your "flock" will follow.

Watcher · 1 year ago

Shut up Tom, you moron! What about the half million Hussein slaughtered? How many more would there have been?
And Elmerg...he wasn't in his pulpit. And he still has freedom of speech, regardless. The constitution says so, and is held in higher regard than any tax code...you knucklehead!
A few bad priests and all of religion is under fire. You people are challenged. I feel bad for you.

elad · 1 year ago

Only 1.7% of priests are pedophiles. 2-3% of Protestant ministers are pedophiles. No religion or minister should be telling a woman what she can do with her body.

Mary T. · 1 year ago

The Catholic Church also promotes Natural Family Planning which is a safe and very effective method of birth control. Women are taught to know exactly when they can get pregnant. This is pivotal to the argument against abortion. Woman are so ignorant of their bodies that they don't even know when they can conceive or when the pill is ineffective, as when certain antibiotics are also used. The reason so many are still pro=abortion is because they think women get pregnant unknowingly. We should be looking into ways to make women aware of their reproductive cycles and how they really get pregnant so they have real choice.